A moment of reflection!

The discussion was so popular on Islamabad metroblog that whether Centaurus will be an identity of Pakistan or not? Will it become a part of our traditions (heritage)? (By A for Apple). Many people gave their answers some said yes some said no. I did not say anything because it does not matter to me. It does not mean that I was not interested but wanted some time to think about it.

Now I conclude that no, it will not be a part of our traditions and even if it will become a part, we will not respect it. You must be thinking that why am I saying this, then hear it. On Saturday, I got a chance to visit Lahore. After doing my work on Saturday, I went to visit Shahi Mosque and Lahore fort. They are the part of our culture and have historical importance. I was so disappointed after looking at its condition. I really felt like screaming on our ignorance.

It seemed like as if it will soon be disappeared from the face of this earth, just because of our lack of care. The structure badly needs renovation otherwise it would not last for generations to see it. The floor, walls, stairs, roof and carving on the walls and floors are in bad condition. The precious stones carved on the walls are not there, are stolen by whom, we know that very well. The walls of shahi mosque are cover with dirt and their color changed from brown to black. There was only one sweeper who was sweeping the floor, no wonder there was garbage everywhere. Authorities are collecting money from the visitors by saying that this money will be used for the renovation of this place. Looking at the place, you will definitely think that they are eating up all the collected money. It looked like a haunted place. Same is the case with the Rohtas fort, few miles away from Rawalpindi

What do you think after what we are doing with these buildings. The same people will be able to maintain this new one? Even if it became the famous and traditional reflection of Pakistan, will we protect it and give it that respect which it deserves? I do not think so. We would treat it in a same manner as we are treating our historical buildings. We wish to have everything but taking its responsibility is not our tradition.

Now one will wonder what is it that we need to do to remedy the past to have a better future. In our country, most people blame the government for not taking care of things. Does shahi mosque only belong to the government? Yes may be the authorities hire more sweepers but should not we all learn not to through anything that is in our hand and anywhere we save it. Everybody and their aunt are concerned if every woman’s head is covered in the “house of God” but nobody sees the dirt, they themselves have spread around.

It is about time to reflect on ourselves before blame someone else. It is easy to blame all our political issues and problems on western powers I wonder however, if this is a western conspiracy as well that we trash everything we are given. Let us think about it.

11 Comments so far

  1. TheRepublicOfPakistan (unregistered) on November 14th, 2006 @ 9:32 am

    “It is about time to reflect on ourselves before blame someone else. It is easy to blame all our political issues and problems on western powers I wonder however, if this is a western conspiracy as well that we trash everything we are given. Let us think about it.” nicely said :).

    I would like to add to that, wearing jeans and talking in “Angrazi” is not going to make a difference either. The only thing we need to do is fix ourselves and everything else will be fixed automatically.

    PS: this is off the topic but I just thought that it would be something good to share with others. I know there is this craze going around with drinking and stuff. I just came a across this Hadith and it reminded me of some people who had died while in this condition. We think that we are Muslims so even if we have been bad we will be forgiven. But how do we know if we are going to die as Muslims. Think about this hadith next time if you or a friend is doing something that they shouldn’t be doing.

    3:43:655
    Narrated By: Abu Huraira
    Translations By:Dr Muhammad Muhsin Khan
    The Prophet said, “When an adulterer commits illegal sexual intercourse, then he is not a believer at the time, he is doing it, and when a drinker of an alcoholic liquor drinks it, then he is not a believer at the time of drinking it, and when a thief steals, then he is not a believer at the time of stealing, and when a robber robs, and the people look at him, then he is not a believer at the time of doing robbery.


  2. Phil (unregistered) on November 14th, 2006 @ 6:54 pm

    To both of you… mind telling us like how (do we fix ourselves)? Last time I checked this was a blog about ‘Islamabad’!

    Mr. Republic, next time before telling others what to do and what not to do, consider not doing it yourself. Telling others whats wrong is easy, quoting Ahadith is easier. We all rant about whats wrong and whats right, accussing others … I guess that too is against Allah’s will, and what the Holy Prophet taught. Fix yourself so you can fix others. Are you perfect, my friend?

    Secondly, you assume that everyone here is a Muslims shows how narrow visioned your approach to life is… and how dis-illusioned you are about Pakistan.

    Thirdly, please keep on topic and dont make this into a preachers page. People come here not to read your hardly informative comments but to find interesting news about Islamabad… Guess the idea of a blog never got to you.

    Lastly, please add Islamic in your name next time you comment – what? Then you think YOU have the right to tell others whats wrong with them…?

    What a pathetic loser.


  3. Yahya (unregistered) on November 14th, 2006 @ 7:31 pm

    “I would like to add to that, wearing jeans and talking in “Angrazi” is not going to make a difference either.”

    You mean wearing Arabic dress and remaining ignorant will? At least people with angrazi know a little bit about something unlike ignorant mullahs from madrassas.


  4. Rick Shaw (unregistered) on November 14th, 2006 @ 8:32 pm

    When I started reading this blog I got very upset but by the end I realized that it is on the “sarcastic” side, because the Centaurus is definitely a beautiful peace of work that will add a significant (& much needed) value to our nations outlook on social and economic levels. Rahee baat maintenance ki, of cource everyone (gov. & private sectors) must chip in but we cant stop moving forward in fact we need hundreds of more Centauruses.

    The architecture that the blogger is talking about in Lahore are as the blog says “Historical Buildings” its history, not todays era, The Centaurus represents todays era and we want to leave a good example for the generations to come, we must not be stuck in time.

    Secondly, Islam is beyond Dari, Burka, Jeans, english or urdu so dont get caught up with small things, open your mind, look at the bigger picture and fly high. Develop Develop Develop.


  5. TheRepublicOfPakistan (unregistered) on November 14th, 2006 @ 9:25 pm

    @Phil: “To both of you… mind telling us like how (do we fix ourselves)? Last time I checked this was a blog about ‘Islamabad’!” OH wow I didn’t realize that you were not just deaf but also blind. For starters stop stealing from each other, stop lying for small gains. Stop pulling each other legs, let me know if you get the drift. And yea it is still a blog about Islamabad and that makes a difference how? Don’t be-wildered about someone deciding to post something meaningful.

    “Mr. Republic, next time before telling others what to do and what not to do, consider not doing it yourself.” And what makes you think that I am not trying, and even if my character is doubtful to you does it make some thing right wrong or something wrong right. It doesn’t.

    “Secondly, you assume that everyone here is a Muslims shows how narrow visioned your approach to life is… and how dis-illusioned you are about Pakistan.” First of all do you assume that everyone here is a secular, NO, but that doesn’t stop you from praising or preaching about secularism. So why should it stop me from talking about the teaching of my religion. Secondly how is it a narrow vision when majority of the people in Pakistan are Muslims. If targeting my comments toward a specific group of people in this case MUSLIMS is a sign of disillusionment than every person who has an opinion including your self is disillusioned because there will always be some one with a different opinion.

    “Thirdly, please keep on topic and dont make this into a preachers page.”
    Hmm interesting point when you your self are preaching to me about not preaching. Oh I guess the only time it’s considered preaching is if it has a religious context to it RIGHTTT.

    “People come here not to read your hardly informative comments but to find interesting news about Islamabad…” Hummer spotting geee, so much information and OH MY GOD so interesting WOW, secondly remember that narrow vision concept you were preaching to me about. It may not be informative to you but it may be to others.

    “Guess the idea of a blog never got to you.” I am not sure what you think a blog is but its not your “Dear Diary” any more. I don’t know when you will wake up to the fact that blogs have become more than just “WEB LOGS” (btw that’s where the name comes from).

    “Lastly, please add Islamic in your name next time you comment – what?” I am not surprised. I guess the irony never got to you.

    @Yahya: “You mean wearing Arabic dress and remaining ignorant will? At least people with angrazi know a little bit about something unlike ignorant mullahs from madrassas.” lol wow I guess you don’t even have the capacity to understand a simple statement. Let me break it down, my point was that talking in “Angrazi” and wearing jeans does not mean that you are more civilized, intelligent or modern. BTW thanks for providing a good example of that with your comment :). Ignorance is bliss isn’t Yahya I am just asking because there is got to be some attraction in it for you.


  6. 1967 (unregistered) on November 15th, 2006 @ 12:05 am

    I would request to refrain from taking positions here please. THREPUBLICOFPAKISTAN you have a valid point, and no one can stop you from posting your points of view. You can freely post your comments just like everyone else has the right to do so. We have a very diversified viewership and please everyone try to understand that. I would reccomend that we respect each others opinions, and try to learn from each others experiences. Let’s form a constructive atmosphere, and please try to stay relevant to Islamabad as much as you can. Thanks.


  7. Rick Shaw (unregistered) on November 15th, 2006 @ 12:39 am

    Such diverse viewpoints are in fact a clear sign of a healthy & vibrant society, it is like the pollution levels that rise in countries during a shift from developing to a developed nation – when they become developed then a much informed/educated society demands cleaner air and pollution levels drop. I would agree with 1967 on this one.


  8. Phil (unregistered) on November 15th, 2006 @ 11:15 am

    Sahee.. keep at it :) Just I said before, your comments are welcome, but not on my posts, bearing in mind that I would be the last person to pay any heed to them. Plus Mr. stalwart of truth and honesty, try not hiding your confidence behind a lame alias.

    A few more points… You started the preaching here not me :) So dont tell me I am the ‘preacher’ stopping you from doing your act, no one can stop you :) get it? Yup, people are more interested in spotting a Hummer than listen to some bushman wacking small boys in a madarssa :) Plus, goes more to show that your invalid preachery is not working here. People still post about buildings and events (fashion shows etc). And thats the way it should be… the is a blog about Islamabad, not how Islam spread in the 7th century, and who well phrased some quotation is. Yeah, and what would you know about a Hummer. No, this is not a Dear Diary, neither is it a Dear God save my people page – get it? Context or no context, your knowledge is limited, and you use that, however poorly, to add some fanaticism to every post on the blog irrelavently. You yourself admitted to how irrelavent your comment was. Please refrain from going off topic next time. The only relavent thing you said was “nicely said :).”

    You have a weak logical approach to anything anyone said here… Have a nice day, guess you dont wish that on others being ‘the perfect muslim’ that you are.

    Ghalia Ayeman, dear, is a sad state in our country. With everyone running amok with their concepts or modernity and conservativeness, we have alienated our own people as seen with the example above… Only a few things time has taught us is that we cannot rule ourselves, we need foriegn influence or someone to rule us by the stick. Our people are in an Identity crisis… one thing is for sure, Pakistan was made on the ‘secularism’ of India, and some religious fanatic down the line volunterarily coerced the nation to change its name to Islamic Republic… we were as Islamic and more before that name change. We have more vices now than we had then. We are in a worse shape now, than we were then. People were more affluent and more happy back then, than they are now. We withstood the world pressures now we bend over on one phonce call. The Hasba bill in the NWFP is garaunteeing foriegn forces the right to come and carpet bomb us to simtherines – God forbid. These new buildings show how people want to change and what they want. The crumbling artifacts in Lahore are another sign that people want to forget their past. Good or bad, atleast its some kind of a mental convergance. We have more American and European brands working in Pakistan than any from any Muslim state… We have mullahs riding 4x4s across the country instigating instablity and creating mini-armies to kill innocent people. Is this what we wished for, is this what God wishes, is this what comes with the word ‘Islamic’ in our country’s ‘debauched’ name? If these buildings are not a part of our culture or heritage, should we blow them up? Think again about the consequences, no matter how non-secular we are these days.

    Adieu.


  9. TheRepublicOfPakistan (unregistered) on November 15th, 2006 @ 10:16 pm

    @Phil: “Sahee.. keep at it :) Just I said before, your comments are welcome, but not on my posts, bearing in mind that I would be the last person to pay any heed to them. Plus Mr. stalwart of truth and honesty, try not hiding your confidence behind a lame alias.” HMM PHIL, you and your sorry comments, hiding, dude grow up, You are online, for all that matters I don’t know and don’t care if your real name is Phil or Bob. AND BTW if you are so worried about this being UR POST than make it private, once you open it up on the NET it’ not just yours any more. Wakeup.

    “A few more points… You started the preaching here not me :) So dont tell me I am the ‘preacher’ stopping you from doing your act, no one can stop you :) get it? Yup, people are more interested in spotting a Hummer than listen to some bushman wacking small boys in a madarssa :) Plus, goes more to show that your invalid preachery is not working here.” OH WOW you are really making sense, where did you learn the skills of arguments. Go back and read my 1st comment. Your tone and comments since than are nothing more than biased and stereotypical, just like you keep making assumption about me, I think you have alot of insecurities about Islam which is why you took my one comment and tried to link it with mullah, killings, blah blah blah. Oh and yea I forgot you know it all, what people are interested in and what they are not. Dude at least try to stick to your original position.

    “People still post about buildings and events (fashion shows etc). And thats the way it should be… the is a blog about Islamabad, not how Islam spread in the 7th century, and who well phrased some quotation is.” OH so what you are telling me is that people in Islamabad are just superficial. That some how Islam or any things Islamic is irrelevant to Islamabad. I know this is not true but if you could stick to your last comment you wouldn’t have made this one. But I guess YOU DON’T HAVE A NARROW VISION, only counts if its something Islamic. Secondly I don’t think there was anything in my comment that suggested that people shouldn’t be writing about buildings. Ironically this post was about buildings.

    “Context or no context, your knowledge is limited, and you use that, however poorly, to add some fanaticism to every post on the blog irrelevantly. You yourself admitted to how irrelevant your comment was.” This was a pretty sorry attempt to try and further demonize anything Islamic. How is it that you can take one comment which I did say was off topic (BTW not Irrelevant there is a difference), I was not trying to hide that fact and it was nothing more than information (too bad if you can’t read), but according to you it qualified as spreading fanaticism, thank GOD other world governments haven’t started following your definition otherwise next thing you would be doing is try and get me arrested under some terror law. If any self respecting person evaluates your comments and my comments he/she will see how degrading, hateful and irrational your comments are. So before you call others fanatic take a look in the mirror.

    “You have a weak logical approach to anything anyone said here… Have a nice day, guess you dont wish that on others being ‘the perfect Muslim’ that you are.” nice try again but, 1st of all the only people I responded to so far were you and Yahya. I don’t even know what you were trying to say at the end. I don’t wish other people have a nice day?. I don’t wish other people have weak logical approach? I have a weak logical approach hmmm OK at least there is some logic, so far there was ZERO logic behind your comments.

    “We have mullahs riding 4x4s across the country instigating instablity and creating mini-armies to kill innocent people.” Hmm have you learned nothing, do you have any idea how our own agencies instigated sectarian fighting. Do you have any idea how many foreign forces are at work in Pakistan. Are you that stupid that you can’t seem to see that we are fighting someone else’s war. Under US influence General Zia made Pakistani youth into an insurgency to fight the cold war and now that US doesn’t need them they want them dead. How obvious does it have to be before you could see? We should not be killing our own people period, I know some have gone extreme but it was our fault, we help create them. If you are going to call them animals than we are bigger animals than they are. There is no denying that our government has used these people to fight in Kashmir and in Chechnya, but I didn’t see you going around calling them fanatics, but I guess we are only suppose to think back to 911.

    @1967: Sorry, I am not trying to pick a side, I just had to answer Phil’s accusations.

    PS: “what would you know about a Hummer” Phil I am a Muslim and just because I talk about Islam doesn’t mean that I don’t know anything else. This comment is a good example of YOUR stereotypical mentality. BTW I don’t like H2,H3 both look like a toy.


  10. Iqbal Shahid (unregistered) on November 17th, 2006 @ 3:49 pm

    funny …. this post started with the building ended up with hummer …. :P


  11. Nosheen (unregistered) on November 22nd, 2006 @ 3:02 pm

    Iqbal Shahid :Hi it was Really a cute comment



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