Another Action By The Red Mosque Students

Last night students from the red mosque (Lal Masjid) raided an acupuncture clinic and massage center allegedly being used as a brothel and kidnapped nine people, including 5 Chinese women. According to reports the abductors, including 10 burqa-clad women students, were armed with batons when they broke into the clinic in Islamabad’s F-8 neighbourhood around 1:00 am. These students arrived at the clinic in three cars before entering the premises. They fled, taking their captives to their mosque in central Islamabad. This incident has raised concerns in the resident Pakistani and expat community, because it gives an impression that sanctity and respect of private life of locals and foreigners is not guaranteed in the capital.

26 Comments so far

  1. Phil (unregistered) on June 23rd, 2007 @ 3:32 pm

    Kia bakwas hai yaar… Kasam say these people are going nuts! :@ And driving me in the same direction too.


  2. Nosheen (unregistered) on June 23rd, 2007 @ 4:45 pm

    Private life is no longer private as it becomes publicly famous.Pakistan was made for the expatriates and the dignitary forieners to enjoy by being throughly protected for their famous spot activities and rest of the residents to be very very humbly respecting their so called private lives for what if they felt a common Pakistani holding an un-mannered attitude towards them .how bad they will feel na.And we all can’t live without our goras and yellow races .We love watching them ,entertaining them .I don’t know why Islamabad is so much having a foreigner phobia.i donot fully encourage the red mosque people all actions ,but i must say when the legal authorities cannot take actions as they are handcuffed ,drunk or what ever. in such wake the credit does go to red mosque ppl.it’s not about the foreigner’s its about the filth (famous private lives) that is discouraged from being public and from becoming a source of motivation for any individual.


  3. SELF (unregistered) on June 23rd, 2007 @ 7:05 pm

    Apparently, students from beacon house were also involved in this “raid”.


  4. SELF (unregistered) on June 23rd, 2007 @ 7:20 pm

    طلبہ کی جانب سے جاری کی گئی ایک پریس ریلیز میں دلچسپ بات یہ تھی کہ جامعہ فریدیہ، مدرسہ حفصہ کے علاوہ اس کارروائی میں ایک معروف پرائیویٹ انگریزی میڈیم سکول بیکن ہاؤس کے طلباء بھی شریک تھے۔

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/story/2007/06/070623_lalmasjid_case_rs.shtml


  5. WK (unregistered) on June 23rd, 2007 @ 7:20 pm

    AGREED WITH NOSHEEN !

    PEACE


  6. WK (unregistered) on June 23rd, 2007 @ 7:25 pm

    I am waiting for that day when they will catch all those Aunties in ISb who run ” meat business ” ooopsss sorry no offence to all those aunties…

    Who usually have two or three girls in her car ….delivery na … targeting those fat walet or butchers who want to cook some every weekend…

    come on WK stop it !

    SORRY ….

    peace


  7. Phil (unregistered) on June 23rd, 2007 @ 7:43 pm

    If the authorities are incompetent, does it give the people the right to take matters in their own hands? I don’t think so, especially when the consequences could be much much worse.

    China is the last country we want to piss-off, for they are highly cooperative regional ally on the verge of becoming a super-power. Lets not alienate them.

    Raiding an acupuncture clinic that was ‘allegedly’ running a brothel? Nice, I admire their reconnaissance, LOL.

    We need to think with a brain, for the future. Actions have consequences and implications… -__-

    Is this how closed out we are to other cultures that we can’t find a heart to appreciate them, yet want to play with the big boys?


  8. original-faisal (unregistered) on June 23rd, 2007 @ 8:24 pm

    Nosheen,

    For God’s sake! Are you out of your mind?
    Are you actually endorsing vigilantism?
    Nobody should have the right to take the
    law into their own hands.

    And on a purely practical level, read
    Phil’s comment above. Agree with him
    wholeheartedly.


  9. jahnanara (unregistered) on June 23rd, 2007 @ 8:26 pm

    zor kiss par hua? alleged par. I have no hope for Pakistan if criminals, and yes the Lal Masjid crowd are criminals, start deciding who is pious and who is not. Where will it stop? Have we not learnt from Iran next door?


  10. WK (unregistered) on June 23rd, 2007 @ 10:55 pm

    Jahanara,

    you are right I Agree with you : /, why dont you just start your own massage center and start massaging to male or female…..

    dear, massaging is not a big deal …but during that massage guess what happens eemmm you do not want to know about it…

    I know Jahanara Bagum soon you will start crying on that females wont get enough in Pakistan, they dont get this that bla bla bla…

    you need to get rid of your crying and get out do something may be join armed forces or police or go to get a job in Bank…

    Peace


  11. jahnanara (unregistered) on June 23rd, 2007 @ 11:21 pm

    WK, I do not want to get into a personal argument with you. You are like the Lal Masjid crowd, since you are making conclusions based on no evidence.
    There is no point in continuing an argument when you make it personal.
    You sign off as PEACE, but your e-mails are not peaceful. With citizens like you, Pakistan ka khuda hi hafiz…..
    I hope you find real peace…. and soon.Best


  12. Phil (unregistered) on June 24th, 2007 @ 2:33 am

    Jahanara, and all others, please try to ignore WK here, he’s just being a child and a prick. I will ask the post author to delete is useless comments at his will, and avoid flame wars.


  13. Ghalia Aymen (unregistered) on June 25th, 2007 @ 2:42 am

    I wonder what is the solution to this bizarre situation created by our MULLAHS????? Why is not our government doing anything in this regard? I’m not safe in my own home…is this the security provided by our government? if this keeps on going it will give encouragment to anyone standing in the street to run the MUHALLA according to his perception of right and wrong. Before its too late i beg the authorities to do something about it.

    No one blame those who go to those brothels…. its always been said that woman is the cause of all sins….right? if that is true than men should not worry because they will be forgiven at the end..so what is the fuss? let those ladies do their work after all they will be punished in the end.


  14. WK (unregistered) on June 25th, 2007 @ 3:31 am

    Mr. Phil,

    I apologies if I hurt your feelings or anybody else here,,,,

    I was just little hyperd…

    I do not want to disturbs any ones business here in ISB… let them do what ever they want to do…

    APOLOGIES PLEASE ! : (

    But I will not stop saying that hot water can burn your face or hands if not taking precautions.

    PEace

    and Jananara Gee,

    What are you talking about ,,I am not getting personal with you or some one else here,, Well if some one here who have two faces or two business I do not know about that….

    if you are talking about evidence I can show you ,,,, the dead body of my friend who in graveyard that how he got killed or sueside and why he did it…..

    Just because of these Auties in our culture who are expreading Cancer in our Culture, towns & families…

    let me know if you need some real evidence..

    just make appointment where and when?

    : (

    Respectfully,,

    PEace


  15. Nosheen (unregistered) on June 25th, 2007 @ 11:53 am

    “Is this how closed out we are to other cultures that we can’t find a heart to appreciate them, yet want to play with the big boys”

    … i don’t know how close my mind is to other cultures but i must say first of all u need to open your mind to the opinions of people sharing one culture (i hope so u r not from some other culture then this does not apply on you and the likes of you.)
    Secondly in any of the cultures and in any scripts of any religion ,no one teaches the bad part of human lives.Bring me a scripture or if you say that the un bearbale actions of any one locals or foreigners (in Discussion) are part of any body’s culture.then let the terrorism be the culture of extremists,accept it then as a routine thing.respect that too.it’s there culture that is how they live and want to live.Accept it then .The thing is that we definitely need to have open minds (i don’t like open brains :P)towards the positivity and good things of every culture ,endorsing ours at the prime place.Let our culture be respcted then too.why then it’s a stigma considered by the foreign communities who lable us time and again as they like ,with a note to the dictated minds that you are backward nation .the reason a scarf is considered red alert in thei part of cultures simply because they donot want infiltration of our culture .simply disrespect our culture.This world is only made on a simple rule not made by foreigners but by teh Supreme power( Every Action has an equal and opposite action)the day our nation understood this corely it might start to progress.Right now under the modern regime we are definitely living in a matrix .with reality is only in one dimension and that is we are falling deeper and deeper.


  16. ZAM (unregistered) on June 25th, 2007 @ 3:52 pm

    When you are a MUSLIM, you have to follow two kind of laws:the state laws and the shariah laws. Without any doubt, to follow shariah laws is much more necessary for a MUSLIM. As Quran says “When you see something evil being done, stop it with your hands. If you don’t have enough power, oppose it with your tongue(verbally). If you even don’t have that much power, consider it bad in your heart and this is the weakest form of your faith”.
    So if I am a muslim, I must see that the students of Laal Masjid and Jaamia Hafsa are doing it right.
    But if I see all this from a liberal’s point of view, its ofcourse highly wrong. There is no “MODERATE” choice in between. You should decide it yourself that for you what is more important: to be a MUSLIM or a MODERATE LIBERAL.
    About accusing massage centre being used for brothel, I think this news must be right. Because I have been to China. There are a lot of massage centres in all the major cities and above 80% of these massage centres are used as brothels.

    Regards
    ZAM


  17. Majid (unregistered) on June 25th, 2007 @ 7:55 pm

    Thankyou Zam, that about sums it up. Make your choice and be happy.
    Who said Pakistanis cannot take the law into thier own hands!! Humbug… that happens every day with Kabzaa groups all over PK. What about FATA? they get to make thier OWN dodgy laws. Or what about the Village courts where Mukhtar Mai received her judgments?…. that argument is a non-starter.
    So I agree that something needs to be done about brothels if the police wont do anything then its going to be left to ordinary people to do.


  18. JEHANARA (unregistered) on June 25th, 2007 @ 11:39 pm

    We need 4 witnesses to prove rape, but in the case of Lal Masjid, the word of that nutcase Mullah is enough? For God’s sake, this is not Islam, and if it is, then forgive me, but I dont want any part of it.


  19. Afzal (unregistered) on June 26th, 2007 @ 11:36 am

    Brothers!

    lets not be bookish about what is happening and start to realize the bitter facts looming around our country. Its very easy to say not to take the law into our hands, a totally different opinion when someone has been a victim of that limping law. Following are some reported examples to open up your eyes:

    Short of conviction, women have also been held for extended lengths of time on charges of zina when they allege rape (Asia Watch 1992, 41-60). For example, in July, 1992, Shamim, a twenty-one-year-old mother of two charged that she was kidnaped and raped by three men in Karachi. When a rape complaint was lodged against the perpetrators, the police instead arrested Shamim, and charged her with zina when her family could not post the fee set for her release. The police held her in custody for six days, during which she reports that she was repeatedly raped by two police officers and a third unnamed person (Amnesty International 1993, 11-12). There have been numerous reports of such custodial rapes in Pakistan.6

    Police action and inaction in rape cases in Pakistan have in fact been widely reported as an instrumental element to the injustice. There is evidence that police have deliberately failed to file charges against men accused of rape, often using the threat of converting the rape charge into a zina prosecution against the female complainant to discourage women from reporting.7 And when the perpetrator is a police officer himself, the chances of pursuing a case against him are nearly nonexistent. Shahida Parveen faced this very situation when she reported that in July, 1994, two police officers broke into her house and locked her children in a room while they raped her at gunpoint. A medical examination confirmed that she was raped by more than one person, but the police refused to register her complaint (Amnesty International 1995, 14).

    Political rivals have further exploited women by using rape as a weapon against each other. In November, 1992, Khursheed Begum, the wife of an arrested member of the Pakistan People’s Party was abducted on her way home from attending her husband’s court hearing. She states that she was blindfolded, driven to a police station, and repeatedly raped there by police officers, who asserted political motives for the attack (Amnesty International 1992, 207; Scroggins, 1992, A10; Rashid 1991, 14.). Later the same month, forty-year-old Veena Hyat, of one of Pakistan’s elite families and daughter of a prominent politician, stated that she was gang raped for twelve hours in every room of her house by five armed men. Despite her father taking the unusual social risk of publicly reporting the attack, a judicial investigation concluded that there was insufficient evidence to convict the alleged perpetrators (Zia 1994, 55-57; Economist 1991, 43; Rashid 1991, 14; Robinson 1992, 11).

    So next time you pass comments on the Law of this country, try putting yourself into the shoe of those who got dented by the so called LAW!


  20. JayJay (unregistered) on June 26th, 2007 @ 5:36 pm

    Mark Twain was right when he said,” Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion, in fact several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbour as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn’t straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother’s path to happiness and heaven.”

    I am glad not all men and women are religious. Otherwise, whole of Islamabad would have turned into a grand vigilante station, aka Lal Masjid, buring witches at the stake.


  21. WK (unregistered) on June 27th, 2007 @ 3:04 am

    Jayjay,

    My advice for you keep yourself always as positive, I am not saying that you are totally negative, I also agreed with you on some of things such as women held for extended lenghts and being treated bad so forth…

    Its very easy to say or point finger on Mosque “Allahs House” quoting your words

    “I am glad not all men and women are religious. Otherwise, whole of Islamabad would have turned into a grand vigilante station, aka Lal Masjid, buring witches at the stake.

    you can easily quote Mark Twain !

    But I tell you that Mr. Jayjay please do not point Lal Masjid or any other Mosque because it can easily offend any muslim.

    Now PEace


  22. 1967 (unregistered) on June 27th, 2007 @ 10:54 am

    Massage centre abductees were from MMA:
    http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=8696


  23. Fifi (unregistered) on June 30th, 2007 @ 4:38 pm

    Hi, it’s very sad to see that any one can do any thing whithout any fear, the so called red mosque students are behaving like they are living in jungle. Is there any kind of law to keep these people in control, if they are backed by agencies then………..These kind of activites will put off many more foreign investors to do any investments in our country…….It’s government’s responsibility to run the city not these students….


  24. Fifi (unregistered) on June 30th, 2007 @ 4:39 pm

    Hi, it’s very sad to see that any one can do any thing whithout any fear, the so called red mosque students are behaving like they are living in jungle. Is there any kind of law to keep these people in control, if they are backed by agencies then………..These kind of activites will put off many more foreign investors to do any investments in our country…….It’s government’s responsibility to run the city not these students….


  25. Fifi (unregistered) on June 30th, 2007 @ 4:40 pm

    Hi, it’s very sad to see that any one can do any thing whithout any fear, the so called red mosque students are behaving like they are living in jungle. Is there any kind of law to keep these people in control, if they are backed by agencies then………..These kind of activites will put off foreign investors to do any investments in our country…….It’s government’s responsibility to run the city not these students….


  26. James (unregistered) on July 6th, 2007 @ 12:51 pm

    Now that Aziz has tried to slip away in a burqa…

    I wonder why he and, moreover, his entrenched gang of thugs, seem unmoved by their prophet Muhammad’s injunction in the Quran that “cursed are those men that wear women’s clothing and those women that wear men’s clothing”. If they truly adhere to their insipid religiosity, surely they are duty-bound to stone Aziz to death, or some such.



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