Lal Masjid: The Opinion Pool

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Picture courtesy AP, via BBC News

OK, lets try to gather all the opinions on the issue at one place, as best as we can.

There are some of us that are of the thought that what is going is was inevitable, and OK considering the Red Mosque (RM) or Lal Masjid (LM) was too much for anyone to bear. Adding to that people say that they were hijacking Islam, and with that Islamabad and Pakistan also.

Then there are some of us who say that this is a puppet show put on by the agencies. Well, considering the technology and techniques developed to date, its quite plausible. But in a broader scope, no one has a pinch of clue whether it’s true or not.

Some say this is totally wrong and the Government is to be blamed. All the blood shed is due to the mis-doings of the current regime. But then again, who has clean hands these days? Had Lal Masjid not attacked civilians that the Islamabad Police serves so poorly, this would not have happened. But one can only speculate.

Then there is a pool of people who say a more diplomatic approach to the matter would have been more appropriate. Like me. But as I see it, the fist fight with a Ranger broke out into a massive mosh-pit of sorts and people on both sides got gang banged. What was to follow is quite understandably a path of violence. And with the restraint the government is showing with the issue, there are people who are complaining they are doing too less in too much time.

Take it as a part of an evolution or a revolution, I understand that either of those have ever been without the company of anger, hate, resentment and bloodshed. There is no need for people like me and others to get hot headed all of a sudden. We should only thank God that we are not one of those 30 people killed, or even those 140 injured. These are the stats according to the current reports.

Things like these do not end in one night. If it did, it would be a miracle. But one can easily estimate that more innocent people will die, more soldiers and taleban would be martyred. I however do not wish that.

Lets keep discussing as to what the next best course of action could be, or you could just head on to the post by FaKeera earlier yesterday and continue the discussion there.

I am sorry I couldn’t do any of this earlier, I was a little busy at my office.

47 Comments so far

  1. Farhan (unregistered) on July 4th, 2007 @ 2:44 am

    Everyone i knew including most of the tv channels were against the lal masjid and were asking the goverment why they are’nt doing anything & everyone knew that if the goverment did take any action it would turn violent pretty quickly.

    And it seemed that this was’nt planned operation, it just happend. It started with a protest that and it turned violent, what else would could be the outcome when the student take out guns and threaten to use them if authorities come closer.

    I can’t belive what kind of people are these. If they want to fight well then do, but why are they keeping small children with them ? there were plenty of little girls with them women, i can’t belive any parents who will do this to there children. Really sad.

    I do hope nothing more happens and they back to talking, but then again they have so much weapons what if next time they went to kidnap someone and that turn violent ?

    There’s no easy way out of it, and whatever happens everyone’s gona blame the goverment, always been that way in Pakistan.


  2. Atif Abdul-Rahman (unregistered) on July 4th, 2007 @ 3:45 am
  3. A for [pine]apple (unregistered) on July 4th, 2007 @ 3:52 am

    As they say, Nib evil in the bud; that was not the case. And now just negotiations and talks won’t lead things anywhere.

    In the present times, when everyone tends to take refuge in the wings of Islam, in name of Jihad, presenting a falsifying image to the world, danda is equally necessary.

    And here we are talking about people who have ammunition of all types, well in stock, already.


  4. shams (unregistered) on July 4th, 2007 @ 4:01 am

    lal masjid people were not doing any good to Islam, humanity or Pakistan. They are just the tools who work for the drug and arms and ammunition lords behind them. They have held thousands of people as hostages in the name of so called islamic students. I hope and pray for the success of this operation with not any more blood shed. I appeal to all political parties to be with the government and the media should play a very positive role. This is a matter of great national concern. We all should do our best to uproot this extrmism so that the young generation be come free and utilize the talent that Alimghty Allah has given them for the betterment of humanity and Islam in a positive and healthy. May Allah save these innocent generation from becoming a toy in the hands of warlords and drug lords. Believe me these exteremist people do not have any concern about Islam or Pakistan they play their role to protect the drug lords and arms dealer.


  5. Jan (unregistered) on July 4th, 2007 @ 12:37 pm

    Well as far as Im concerned, the LAL Masjid administration promised the government after they released the Chinese hostages that they would not take any more people in hostage but they would only inform the government about the people who are breaking the law and order and the constitution of Pakistan. In my humble opinion, there was no need to bring the police and rangers close to them. Why they brought the police and rangers close to them is really important to be considered. Even during this fighting, the LAL Masjid administration talked to the authority about cease fire but they government does not feel like bringing cease fire. Talking about Chinese massage center, let me tell something that these people were kicked out of Kabul, Afghanistan due to providing sex facilities to people which they were providing here too. the LAL Masjid administration has never taken any actions on their behalf but the people who lose hope from the government come to them with their complaints. Im very much sure after reading the news on different websites and watching different channels that the government is forced by some outside forces to punish the LAL Masjid administration and the students and that the government will never accept cease fire proposal from the LAL Masjid administration.

    At the end, I would ;like to say may Allah keep our beloved country and its people in His custody. Ameen


  6. Majid (unregistered) on July 4th, 2007 @ 3:41 pm

    As Prof Iftikhar Malik (Historian and former lecturer at QAU) said “History never repeats itself except in Pakistan” we are suffering because the Generals just dont learn.
    The Lal Masjid people were created by Gen Zia, installed in Islamabad to rally support for the Jihad in Afghanistan, most of the top Military brass frequented this mosque regularly – and some still do. This is what you call Blowback. The very people the Army encouraged to propagate its version of Islam are now declaring themselves as the guardians of justice in Islamabad.

    I’m shocked that anyone is blaming Lal Masjid when several times the police failed to act against brothels in G6 – the people asked the mosque to do something. As usual the police did nothing prompting these guys to get the dhandas out.

    Whats needed now is a Govt with a cool head and intelligence, not a trigger-happy trumped up general who thinks he can bomb his way into the good books of the international community by killing his own people.


  7. hafiz (unregistered) on July 4th, 2007 @ 6:33 pm

    In this envoirnment of islamabad, Lal masjid issue in not good, but we are appriciate of student activities and we condom to gov. policies against the lal masjid.
    I think in the government agent and their rular agents are communist minded not are muslim minded they are not want sharryet in pakistan.


  8. Omar (unregistered) on July 4th, 2007 @ 11:52 pm

    As an educated and progressive muslim and Pakistani I am surprised why it took so long for the govt. to take action. These men and women have broken the law repeatedly and used Islam as an excuse. I have seen this political strategy ( rationalising actions in the name of God) before when I was living in a hostel. Abducting civilians and policemen????? How on earth can anybody defend that??? They want to impose their brand of Islam on everyone. What if the rest of Pakistan forced them to live a different way. These people are playing god. And I assure you Allah is NOT happy with these Mullahs because they are giving Islam a bad reputation in the world.
    Moreover Pakistan is a free country with people of different religions, views and culture. Everyone has the right to live the way they want to as long as they do not hurt another person. These extremists who promote violence must be stopped. If they are not it is only a matter of years where we have situations like Afghanistan or Iraq in our homeland. Please people think sensibly.


  9. michael (unregistered) on July 5th, 2007 @ 3:39 am

    My distant view of these events from several thousand miles away in California USA is very blurry, but nonetheless, here’s what I see…

    The Islamist running the show at Lal Masjid are taking advantage of the children at the school to advance their political agenda; perhaps a popular agenda in the NWFP, but not so in enlightened Islamabad. For some time now, they’ve been using increasingly aggressive tactics: threatening shop owners, property destruction, hostage taking, kidnappings, public beatings… and now they’ve busted out the firearms. Threatening the streets of Islamabad with AK-47s is a big step up from carrying a dhanda around. All the while hiding behind the misguided young boys and girls sent out to do their bidding.

    These guys should be locked up… putting children in serious harms way.

    To those guys and their ‘followers’

    Quit the AK-47s and RPGs already. Find non-violent solutions. Non-violent is not the same as non-confrontational. Be confrontational… just not with a gun in your hands for Christ’s sake.

    If you want the Chinese brothel closed down, go picket around it during business hours take photos of the visitors, publish in the daily paper, post them on the internet… shame them all into shutting it down… no sticks or guns.

    If you want the Video shop closed down… well, you may have to accept that some people enjoy watching videos… and just restrain yourself from doing so instead of restraining the entire world from doing so… if its pornographic video, try sending a 12 year old boy (with a parents permission) in to rent a pile of porno… then bring that to the papers, TV, police, legislators and president.

    If you don’t want the police to come after you, try not kidnapping police officers.

    If you don’t want the army to come after you, don’t arm yourselves with automatic weapons and RPGs and use them to impose your will on your neighbors or countrymen or anyone else for that matter.

    Happy 4th (still for me) of July (American Independence Day)

    PS: Gee, I wonder if any Islamic whackos in the US will try to blow any Americans up today


  10. michael (unregistered) on July 5th, 2007 @ 4:39 am

    Where are the parents of these children? What do they have to say about all of this? Are they not outraged at the two brothers? What do the parents think of their decision to send their children to a school run by such people, especially considering this talk of suicide attacks?

    Will these events increase or decrease the number wishing to attend this ‘school’?


  11. Sania Saeed (unregistered) on July 5th, 2007 @ 9:36 am

    I am not living in Islamabad or even Pakistan for that matter. I do not know what the ground situation is around Lal Masjid, but with the death and destruction, the situation would undoubtedly be grim. I have lost faith in almost all politicians and all political parties and now I have lost faith in all religious organisations too. When was the last time a political or religious party sincerely and effectively assisted in a worth while cause (eg. in education, in health, in eradicating poverty, in reducing pollution, in stiriving towards social equality). And to the clerics and students of Lal Masjisd, who died and made you king? or better yet, who died and made you the moral police of society? What have you done for society? Why don’t you do something constructive, establish yourselves as good, decent, trustworthy, tolerant members of society and then dictate which business should and shouldn’t operate in the country.


  12. Sana (unregistered) on July 5th, 2007 @ 5:01 pm

    I am happy that Jamia Hafsa took this approach, if government will not inforce islamic law then who is responsible? Nowadays wht u see in Pakistan is nothing like an islamic society.Very well done by the Jamia Hafsa mujahaydeen.May Allah Bless You! AllAHOAKBAR!!


  13. Phil (unregistered) on July 5th, 2007 @ 5:08 pm

    Sana, Government does not only have to “impose”, if thats the word you wish to use so be it, Islamic law, there are other facets of ‘running a country’ too. Please be a little considerate.

    Secondly if Government does “impose” anything with it’s will, it is called a dictatorship. Jumping boats is an art we perfected. Right?


  14. Phil (unregistered) on July 5th, 2007 @ 5:14 pm

    Michael, I’ll start in reverse.

    Schools like these have been a target of scrutinies for some time in Pakistan and the last 3 days have shown us what the ‘army’ really mean.

    The parents of these children sent them here for the free food, clothes, studies, life in a city, and a lot of other benefits. They are confused as to what to do now. They are usually either farmers, peasants or shepherds. I can only speculate on what they think about the ‘school’ that is the subject these days. I am sure they must be cursing them. Wouldn’t every parent be doing that?


  15. newb3e (unregistered) on July 5th, 2007 @ 6:41 pm

    i don’t support lal masjid imam and his bro but some of their demand are valid.firstly Pakistan was separated from india for Muslim where Islamic rule will be the only rule (and islamic rule is not talibani rule) a welfare state for Muslims of India
    ruled according to shraia but currently the word islam and Pakistan are two different things.khulay amm sharab , prostitution , music etc our Holy Prophet same to eradicat all those evil but we are again back to these evils.Now people will say we are moderated Islam but there is nothing like Moderate islam , modern islam , talibani islam there is only one and only one Islam and thats accoridng to Quran and Sunnah. I hope atleast someone agrees with me .
    Lets pray Pakistan becomes what it was meant to be and not what we want it to be.
    Let pray we muslim follow Quran and Sunnah in right manner
    And pray that Pakistan ko Allah hamesha qaim rukhay.

    Ameen


  16. Omar (unregistered) on July 5th, 2007 @ 7:48 pm

    I fail to understand how people like Sana think that it is OK to “impose” their views and way of living on other people.
    Pakistan is a muslim country and although most people love their religion they DO NOT want a shariat style law in the country.
    Why cant everybody live the way they want???? If you want to have Islam be every part of your life thats fine, do so. If you want religion to be a lesser part in your life that should be OK as well.
    Live and let live. Let god be the judge. You don’t have to do his job.


  17. Omar (unregistered) on July 5th, 2007 @ 9:05 pm

    Can the people blindly defending the extremists at Lal Mosque explain why Maulana Abdul Aziz tried to escape? What kind of Jihad is that?
    You tell all your followers that this is the time for sacrifice while you decide to put a burqa on and flee. Sounds pretty hyprocritical to me.


  18. Pakistani (unregistered) on July 5th, 2007 @ 10:17 pm

    They should grab all these bearded sons-of-b*****s by their long hairy beards and shoot them right between the eyes. There is no talking to these medieval minded morons. If you let them go right now, they will be back in a year or two, spreading their hate and ignorance. Kill ’em all I say!


  19. michael (unregistered) on July 5th, 2007 @ 10:18 pm

    @Phil, thanx for the response. I hope you are right that the parents will consider the Mullahs responsible for this rather than the government. I read somewhere that the students mostly come from the NWFP, so I’m not so sure that will be the case, but lets hope.

    @Sana “if government will not inforce islamic law then who is responsible?” Individuals are responsible for thier own discretionary actions, there is no need for anyone to enforce the wearing of a head scarve ‘law’. Who is harmed if ‘Sue’ decides not to cover? Nobody. Who is harmed if ‘Sue’ is forced to cover by men wielding big sticks?


  20. Mohammed AlBrittani (unregistered) on July 6th, 2007 @ 12:47 am

    All the ProLalMasjid Brigadesters here, questions:

    1. Is it okah for bearded pakistani men to dress up in womens clothes, wear high heels and lipstick?

    2. Is it okah to use children as protective shields?

    3. Is it okah to kidnap, abuse and molest people becasue you are a mullah?

    It seems in Pakistan the Mullah can get away with anything so long as he has a potbelly, beard and badbreath – he can do anything…

    The time is right to fight Auntie Aziz and Auntie Glasi and their ilk, so the MMA is causing a fuss – round them up as well – and sorry to say but the best medicine for these cross dressing anti pakistan scum fanatics is to throw them in the ocean!


  21. Kami (unregistered) on July 6th, 2007 @ 8:04 am

    Lal Masjid Demands:

    Then: Enforcement of Shariat in the Country.

    Now: I will not take off my shirt – Maulana Abdul Rasheed.

    No comments……


  22. Tue Reeplai (unregistered) on July 6th, 2007 @ 10:12 am

    Didn’t anyone in Islamabad hear the firing at 0300 h PST this morning? They are blasting their way in. The longer it lasts the worse it will be …


  23. sohail (unregistered) on July 6th, 2007 @ 5:02 pm

    Islamabad was peaceful city but now ??????????????????????????


  24. MUHAMMAD NASIR KHAN (unregistered) on July 6th, 2007 @ 7:14 pm

    I AM NOT SURPRISE TO SEE THE SITUATION IN THE CAPITAL CITY BUT ONE THING ALWAYS CLICKING IN MY MIND THAT HOW LAL MASJID PEOPLE GOT THESE WEAPONS IN THE HEAT OF CAPITAL AND SINCE THE OPERATION STARTS FROM JULY 3, ALL POLITICAL LEADERS ARE SILENT QUESTION IS WHY? THERE IS DEFINITLY SOME THING GOING ON AT THE BACK DOOR WHICH WEEKENING PAKISTAN AND THE STRONG BELIEVER OF ISLAM IN THIS COUNTRY. ONE MORE THING GOING IN MY MIND WHY THE PERSON WHO CLAIMED JAHAD AND CAPTURE IN A VERY DIS GRACEFULL WHY? AND SIMULTANIUSLY ALL TV CHNNELS INCLUDING GOVT. OFFICIAL STRONGLY HIGHLIGHTING OF MR. ABDUL AZIZ ARREST. WHY THEY ARE NOT THINKING THESE THING DEFINITLY DECREASE THE LOLITY AND DIGNITY OF RELIGIOUS STATUS AND PRIDE.
    IN OPINION THERE IS DEFINITLY SOME HANDS BEHIND ALL THIS STORY OR MAY BE DRAMA.
    NASIR KHAN


  25. Analyst (unregistered) on July 6th, 2007 @ 9:04 pm

    Ghazi Abdur Rasheed can represent a political party all over Pakistan and can stand in great opposition against the current

    President Pervaiz Musharraf if he is allowed to openly oppose the current policies of the Government in the Parliament

    peacefully. I am sure there are a huge number of Pakistani people still in favor of Ghazi Abdur Rasheed but unfortunately they are not being given a chance to represent a new party who has its few reservations on few policies of the Govt.They think their voice is not being represented in implemetaion or amendment in the practiced laws of the country.

    As a conseqence of too much pressure on General Pervez Musharraf due to already developing opposition he some how wants to

    silence a new movement (exposed in his operation: Operation Silence) against his policies. This movement was not life

    threatning to its citizens but was forced to do damage (collatral) as a result of continuous dealing of crisis management authorities as if it is dealing with criminals.

    Current operation against Ghazi Abdur Rasheed can be considered as a Political assasination if the President orders a huge

    operation to make him surrender. I am sure if General Pervaiz Musharraf let him lives then there is a great chance that Ghazi

    Abdur Rasheed will emerge as a great political leader.

    Akbar Bugti (Ex-Governer of Baluchistan Province) was killed and was also dealt with the same strategy by the the Govt of

    Pakistan as you have observed in Islamabad i.e Of harassing them through secret forces (set up by the Government), who don’t inform the accused of the charges against them through proper channels (since all channels are not reliable because the Government themselves conflict each other). Some threat and others assure of amnesty and forgiveness, making the accused confused of the situation, till the accused is forced to defend himself in any way possible.

    Obvious crime can occur in this case on part of the Govt of Pakistan, Pervaiz Musharraf is considered as a great channel of success, if he personally assures the accused of his own protection.


  26. Omar (unregistered) on July 7th, 2007 @ 7:01 pm

    We all know that there are hundreds of students ( many of them women and children ) trapped in the red mosque who want to leave but there are armed men blocking their way out and keeping them hostage. There are dead bodies that need to be buried. Yet these extremists are not allowing any parents or other people to go in.
    It just shows that these bearded men(and women):-) have no compassion for humanity or human life.
    Can the people defending red mosque people explain how they are going to justify these actions with Islam.
    At the end the army will have to raid the mosque and many people will be killed. At that time the same maulvis will blame the govt. for lives lost.

    These mullahs are doing a diservice to Isalm and Allah will punish these extremists for giving muslims and Pakistanis a bad name in the world.

    Inshaalah.


  27. iunknown (unregistered) on July 8th, 2007 @ 12:08 pm

    omar, do u know wats going on behind teh scenes in LAL masjid?

    Students dont want to surrender their selves. They want either to live gracefully or die wid honour. No one is stopping ne one to come out. Those who have come out, u can see that they havent been allowed to meet their guardians.

    Stop spreading shi* on bearded and religious persons. Had they havent taken this stand against raising the masajid to the ground, ALLAH must have given his punishment to us, may be in the form Earth quake, rain etc etc. They weere the only one who protested. We all just kept our selves busy in importing and exporting foood.

    Sorry but ,Do u even pray 1 time a day?


  28. Omar (unregistered) on July 8th, 2007 @ 10:15 pm

    Mr.unknown, It seems that you have blinded yourself from current events. I am just stating facts.
    The thirteen year old boy that escaped from the extremists has told everyone that many young children and woman want to leave but the extremists are not letting anyone out.
    Another fact, these men and women have broken the law by kidnapping people. How would you feel if somebody with a different view on life decided to take your mother or sister away against their will and impose their way of life on them??? Just think about it rationally before getting upset.
    They have destroyed public property. Again another crime.
    After breaking the law these people will be interrogated. They will not be sent to home to meet their families right away. Duhhhh.
    And just for the record I consider myself a very good muslim and Pakistani. I want people in the world to look at Pakistan as a moderate and progressive muslim state not some country where bearded women and men impose think its ok to blow themselves up and kill innocent people.


  29. m waqar (unregistered) on July 9th, 2007 @ 6:15 pm

    These mullahs of lal masjid are criminals and terrorists,shoot em and hang their bodies in islamabad,I wonder what ISI and other intelligence agencies of pakistan were doing,when these mullahs were getting weapons?Lal masjid is not a religious place or mosque anymore,its a terrorists camp now,why Mush regime is waiting and delaying final action?Shoot everyone in that terror camp.Bomb Em.


  30. rafay (unregistered) on July 10th, 2007 @ 12:22 pm

    assallam o alaikum! muslims of pakistan i have read all your ideas some good some foolishly miserably false.brothers i know one thing maulana ghazi was right from the very first day he confronted those prostitutes and he is even right today. today we are living in the era about which prophet mohammed peace be upon him indicated as “the most difficult one for people to stay on islam and jikhad” in several of his hadeeths. moalana ghazi is near his destination “the shahada” Allah is not oing to judge him on mine or your opinions . what status he will get near Allah we shall inshaALLAH see on the day of qiyama. we have ourselves to consider. have anyone of you opened quran all these 7 days with intention to find what Allah says. brothers according to hadith no muslim is bound to obey a “muslim government” if it spreads brazennes and debauchery in the islamic society. imam hussain stood against yazeed and today allhumdullilah muslims of pakistan have stood up. brothers Allah surely is gonna ask our role in this incident on day of judgment if you know your answer to him verry well then carry on and if not….. then do think pick up quran!

    to you brother micheal i am praying please dont lose hope in islam because of the mind boggling things you read on net or hear round u. here is a 100% gauranteed solution for you. dont study islam by studying muslims study the direct commandments sent from ALLAH ie holy quran.if your intention to find peace is true He will definitely guide u to the right path Inshallah. you can contact me through this site if u have any questionas . i’ll be more than glad to answer them .asslam o alikum(may Allah’s peace be on you)


  31. Denzil (unregistered) on July 10th, 2007 @ 2:18 pm

    Wake up! Pakistanis ! Blow these terrorists to bits once and for all.Stop encouraging terrorists and follow the straight path.Look around you and learn from countries like India & china and focus on economic development,moderacy,education & development.Enjoy life!


  32. Noor H Shah (unregistered) on July 11th, 2007 @ 1:53 am

    The amount of weapons and the numebr of fighers inside the red mosque proves that this action was planned a long ago. To it appears that this maulana’s along with foriegn fighters were planning to capture entire Islamabad one day.

    I am glad that this fitna has ended. As far as their Islamic faith is concerned it was sort of un-islamic. The mosque was exanded on public land without buying, which is “Haram” in first place. Moreover, the money for these weapon has to come from somewhere. Who paid for all this. Can someone show me the source of income for this place?


  33. Omar (unregistered) on July 11th, 2007 @ 2:29 am

    Rafay, you fail to understand a basic principle. These people BROKE THE LAW. Nobody here is condoning prostitution but you can’t kidnap people just because you THINK they are prostitutes. What if they are not? How did the extremists know these women were prostitutes. Just because somebody said so ???
    You can report them to the police. If they are doing something against the law of the land they will be dealt with in court and then sent to prison.
    If the police does not do anything then you need to take the matter to your local politician or some local body that may be helpful.
    When people decide to take matters in their own hands like the red mosque folks it just creates chaos and nothing is accomplished.
    You cannot take the law in your own hands. That is why we have police and courts.


  34. MOHAMMAD QURESHI (unregistered) on July 11th, 2007 @ 3:39 am

    ALL DRAMA OF LAL MASJID WAS PLANED BY THE MUSHARAF RAGIME OTHERWISE HOW ITS POSSIBLE THAT IN THE CENTER OF VERY SENSITIVE AREA SOEME BODY HAVE THE SUCH AMOUNT OF LATEST WEAPONS THEREFORE ALL RESPONSIBILITY OF INNOCENT PEPOLE’S DEATH GOES TO THE GOVT.OF MUSHARAF.IT IS TIME TO ASK MUSHARAF THAT, IS THIS THE WAY TO STRENGTHEN HIS “KURSI” CHAIR? MY DEAR FELLOWS I WANT TO REMEMBER YOU ALL THAT THE MUSHARAF HAS ALLREADY ADMITTED IN HIS AUTOBIOGRAPHY “IN THE LINE OF FIRE” THAT HE SOLD THOSE MEN WOH FIGHHT AGAINST USSR IN AFGHANISTAN TO USA FOR DOLLORS.HE CAN DO ANY THING ANY THING FOR THE SAKE OF HIS “KURSI”.MAY GOD PROTECT MY COUNTRY FROM THIS SELFISH,CUREL AND ILLEGEL IN-TRUDER “MUSHARAF”.AS FOR THE ROLE OF SO CALLED MOLANA GHAZI HE MADE A CLEAR VIOLATION OF QURAN AND SUNNAH’S SAYING “UD OU ELA SABEEL E RABB E KA BIL HIKMAT E WAL MAOAZATIL HASANA.” HE PORTRAIT ISLAM IN THE WRONG WAY.


  35. NOJEED (unregistered) on July 11th, 2007 @ 12:52 pm

    The world become Uni-polar after the demise of USSR. Russia broke and many new countries came into being. Russia went back from Afghanistan. Russai was defeated. No American sodier was killed or wounded in this war. CIA gave weapons , training and money to Mulla through our ISI. The war was won.
    Then came the U-turn of America. We disown the mulla. The Freedom fighter MUJAHIDEEN become Terrorist. It is all because of our ISI policy. Pakistan Army is not able to stand against American army attack. So now we are paying for this U-turn of American policy. This is the fruit of our loyatly to our boss America.


  36. S.M.IQBAL ADVOCATE FROM SINDH HIGH COURT KARACHI. (unregistered) on July 11th, 2007 @ 2:37 pm

    IN VIEW OF CNN TELECAST OF 8TH JULY 2007 NAMELY “PAKISTAN IS A THREAT WITHIN” AT THIS POINT OF TIME WHEN OPERATION SILENCE HAS BEEN SUCCESFULLY COMPLETED I HAVE STRONG APPREHENSIONS THAT THE ACTION ON LAL MASJID SHALL NOT BRING ANY CHANGE IN FUTURE POLICIES OF AMERICA AND WESTERN POWERS TOWARDS PAKISTAN.THE POLICIES ARE IN EXECUTION. WE ARE LATE. THE MULLAHS, FORCES, POLITICIANS AND MODERATE PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN SHOULD TAKE SERIOUSLY THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF PAKISTAN PRIOR TO PLAN THEIR FUTURE COURSE OF ACTIONS. WE HAVE COMMITTED MISTAKES. WE SHOULD ADMIT OURT MISTAKES BEFORE THE INTERNATIONAL COMUNITY. THE FORCES AND PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN SHOULD BE READY TO FACE GREATER CHALLENGES IN COMING MONTHS. LEAVE EVERY THING, LEAVE ANY MOTIVE YOU HAVE BEHIND YOUR ACTIONS, THINK ABOUT PAKISTAN SAVE OUR PHYSICAL POWER.
    I HAVE DEEP SORROW UPON THE SAD DEMISES OF PEOPLE AND SECURITY FORCES. I HAVE DEEP REGRET WITH THE FAMILIES OF DEAD AND INJURED.


  37. Omar (unregistered) on July 11th, 2007 @ 6:46 pm

    I agree with both Nojeed and Iqbal. This problem of extremists and freedom fighters was created by the U.S government to bring U.S.S.R down. The U.S helped Zia-ul-Haq in establishing madrasses and gave them military training. After the downfall of Russia nobody cared about these freedom fighters untill 9/11.
    Only then did people realize that the same people that were given funds , training and weapons for a different purpose now had an agenda of their own. Namely enforcing Islamic code of law or more popularly known as Talibanisation.
    This has NOW become Pakistan’s internal problem. Extremists have infiltrated all parts of society. The army, politics, educational institutions.
    People living in Pakistan need to realize this is a very serious situation and will only further deteriorate if these people are not checked.
    I have some suggestions:
    1) Separate church and state. Religion should have no place in politics. Restrict the mullahs to the mosque.
    2) All madrasses need to be registered and their source of income and other activities should be watched closely.
    3) All religious material at schools need to be void of extremist views or those promoting sectarianism.


  38. Denzil (unregistered) on July 11th, 2007 @ 9:43 pm

    I agree to Omar view,seperate Islam from Governance/Politics.Religion is a personal responsibility and not the business of the state.It should be practiced within the four walls of your house or Mosque or Church or Temple.Do nt mix religion with politics.
    Give religious freedom to Christians,Hindus & other minorities.Abolish the draconian Blasphemy laws.


  39. Omar (unregistered) on July 11th, 2007 @ 11:53 pm

    Now that operation silence has come to an end we now know that these people were not just there for peacefully studying Islam. They had many weapons and were trained for military combat. They also had an illegal radio station set up. Can people supporting the red mosque views tell me why?
    Were they planning on taking over the capital one day? That is the only reason that comes to mind. Peaceful students do not require military training, extremist militants do.


  40. S.N (unregistered) on July 13th, 2007 @ 5:52 am

    Its gone! People died. Who martyred??? Muslims killed Muslims. Islam is a religion of full freedom to live a life. Our Prophet (PBUH), didn’t imposed anything on anyone. Please let God decide who is wrong and who is right. Give childern love of Islam don’t teach them terrorism. Pakistan is a free muslim country. Practise religion the way you want. Pray! You have mosques. Eat! You have food. Sleep! You have bed. Learn! You have schools. Teach! You have students. Through your TV, dvds, music stuff or whatever you want! You have trash bins outside in the street. Please don’t change others lifestyles. REMEMBER! ISLAM IS PEACE. If you are killing peace you are killing Islam ….. Love to my Islam and Pakistan!


  41. S.M.IQBAL ADVOCATE SINDH HIGH COURT KARACHI. (unregistered) on July 14th, 2007 @ 4:08 pm

    POST LAL MASJID OPERATION:
    THIS IS MY ADVISE TO MULLAHS PLEASE DISBAND YOUR JIHADI OUTFITS AND SEND YOUR MEMBERS TO THEIR HOMES AND PREACH THEM TO START A NEW LIFE WITH PEACE AND FAMILY. THE SUICIDE ATTACK ON CONVOY IS A COWARD ACT. THE POST LAL MASJID SCENARIO MAY NOT BE USED AS JUSTIFICATION FOR ATTACK ON TROOPS.THEY ARE PAKISTANI AND SON OF SOIL. WHAT YOU SHALL ACHIEVE BY SUCH ACTS NOTHING BUT WRATH OF ENEMIES OF PAKISTAN WHO ARE WAITING TO TARGET PAKISTAN ON ONE PRETEXT OR ANOTHER. IF JIHADI OUTFITS ATTACK TROOPS AND TROOPS ELIMINATE THEM THIS SHALL BE AN UN ENDING STAGE. THINK WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE COUNTRY. YOU ARE READY TO SACARFICE YOUR LIFE AS YOU THINK THAT YOUR LIFE IS IN IMMINENT DANGER BUT YOU DONT REALISE THAT DUE TO BLIND ACTS YOUR ARE PUTTING THE LIVES OF YOUR DEAR ONES AND THE INNOCENT CITIZENS IN DANGER. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. THE TIME IS OVER. PACK AND GO HOME JOIN YOUR FAMILY AND ALLOW PEACE TO PREVAIL. NEED OF JEHADI OUTFITS IS OVER. TIME DOES NOT REMAIN AS SAME. WORLD HAS CHANGED. CHANGE YOURSELF. ALLOW PEOPLE TO LIVE, PROFESS LOVE AND BE A PART OF CIVILIZED SOCIETY. THIS IS MY LEGAL AND MORAL ADVICE. PLEASE TAKE NOTE.


  42. Denzil (unregistered) on July 15th, 2007 @ 5:56 pm

    Hon.Mr.S.M.Iqbal
    Dear Sir,
    Why doesn’t the Pak govt.give religious freedom to minorities like Christians,Hindus & other minorities?
    You are from the respected and learned & recently proved powerful Judiciary of Pakistan:why doesn’t the Judiciary work towards Abolishment of the draconian Blasphemy laws.


  43. sana (unregistered) on July 16th, 2007 @ 5:14 pm

    PAKISTAN IS A MUSLIM COUNTRY.ISLAM IS ITS BASE AND MAIN REASON WE ALL ARE MUSLIM SO THERE SHOULD BE TOTALY IALAMIC RULES SO I AGREE WITH THE STUDENTS OF LALA MASJID. AND REQUESTED TO GOVT OF PAKISTAN THAT THEY SHOULD RULED ISLAMIC RULES IF THEY DO THIS BELEVE ME THEIR GOVT INCREASE AND MUSSHARAF WILL BE ELECTED FOR NEXT 5 YEARS.


  44. SELF (unregistered) on July 16th, 2007 @ 8:06 pm

    Sana, you can start with implementing the kind of Islam that you preach on yourself. Wear shuttle cock and stop going to school/work. In fact best to not go out at all…and no TV/cable and Internet please. These are haram under taliban regime, haven’t you heard?


  45. 1.21 Jigowats (unregistered) on July 18th, 2007 @ 5:14 pm

    For a sober reflection on the Lal Masjid debacle, see:

    http://playingagainstthespin.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/what-next-for-pakistan/


  46. Omar (unregistered) on July 20th, 2007 @ 9:30 am

    This is a very crucial time in Pakistan’s history. In broader interest of the country all political parties, people from all walks of life and beliefs should unite against the wave of suicide bombings and terrorism. This is NOT a time to blame one another. People blowing themselves up are giving Islam and Pakistan a bad name in the world. This can only lead to destabilisation of our nation.


  47. Denzil (unregistered) on July 21st, 2007 @ 6:53 pm

    Sana,agreed pakistan is a muslim country.But you don’t have to be dumb muslims.You can be educated,moderate,open minded and liberated muslims STILL following the TRUE teachings of Islam.



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