Updates on Lal Masjid
At about 4am the operation against lal masjid has taken place. Heavy firing and bomb shelling has surrounded the environment. The walls of Lal Masjid are damaged and police is trying to enter into the mosque. Announcements have been made on loudspeaker, by the military men, demanding the surrender of remaining persons inside; otherwise they will face the consequences. Many students are still surrendering.
There is an out breakage of light. The residents of G-6 are horrified and came out of their houses after hearing heavy shelling.
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this is scary.. hope thing donot turn worse
Once again the Kemalist pimps slaughter Muslims to please their kaffir masters. May Allah punish these murtids
I dont get it. Why this Maulana Rasheed talks like he is a head of some state, and doing talks with another state of Pakistan. What does it mean that we are doing only defence? The state has full right to send its men anywhere it deems appropriate and to arrest people who are wanted in some case. And then he talks about the conditions he has put forward. What does he think of himself? President of Islamic republic of jamia hafsa?
And strangely media also uses these phrases like these guys are realy running a state.
If I am wanted in some case in Pakistan, i am sure that the police would not give me an option to start negotiating with them. Why is this logic so hard to understand for some people?
this is hypocrasy first they say fight until death and let the boys die and than flee like a chicken :P people of pakistan please donot become pupits in hands of people who treat us as rags
“i am sure that the police would not give me an option to start negotiating with them ”
No, it would actually if you can get into a mosque and use it for blackmailing gov. Thats called a “dunda riyasat” where only force talk.
I wish this could be Israel or USA so that gov would crush these ASS*** to pieces. Its just that they will be worried about the innocent people inside more than our jack*** gov which is more interested in diverting attention from CJP and flood in Sindh & Balochistan issue than removing these terrorist.
Mullah Rasheed talks like a head of state but will flee at very first opportunity. Only that he seems to have misplaced his buqa somewhere. The Mullah brothers had no shame in making hundred of children hostage to their violent ideology and sacrificing them for their person goals.
A daisy-cutter will cut the drama short but will have lasting effects.
We need what Hafiz el Assad did with Hama mullahs in early 1980s.
One Auntie prostituted her body for food, the other Auntie protituted his religion for personal agrandisements and clout.
Batilshikhan, by murtids, I am sure you mean the Mullah brothers.
JAHNANARA: Could not agree more:-
This is test for Gen Pervaiz. If he razes Lal masjid then he is fit to remain President. If he doesnt then he he another coward,
This is test for Gen Pervaiz. If he razes Lal masjid then he is fit to remain President. If he doesnt then he he another coward,
This is test for Gen Pervaiz. If he razes Lal masjid then he is fit to remain President. If he doesnt then he he another coward,
Writ of the government is being challenged here. There needs to be ONE government for a country. Not two. States with two governments have never survived. Call them Kemalist or whatever, what they are doing is AFTER a lot of deliberation and thought. Everyone wants this to end, and Maulana sahib is not budging…! The idiot Maulana is alone now, he has to make up his mind quick. He has paralyzed life in Islamabad, and taken hostage so many children, not to forget he has an ego that could blot out the sun.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=25427
Allaho Akbar. ‘This is sad but true’.
There was no sign of a tank in the pictures last night. This might be RPGs (rocket propelled grenades) or mortars.
detailed overview in Dawn
I highly doubt he is in any mood to give up. His deliberation and resolve (though as childish as it is) could possibly be the voice of certain external elements belonging from various banned groups that are holed up inside the mosque along with him. But then again, considering how dramatically the stats have been changing pertaining to the presumed strength and might of the so called ‘jihadis’, Ghazi might as well be using this very premise to buy more time. Unfortunately, his options are quite straight forward… if only he has that single brain-cell in him active enough to realize :)
Meray Dawn ka dusk howa wa hai… how’d you get the link :s
The Voice From Inside: http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://lalmasjid.com/forum/index.php?board=9.0
hey I heard from a friend listening to radio that upon raid (??), they cant find abdul rasheed inside??
any confirmations??
First time the government has taken all the right steps to solve this issue, and the steps are working fine by far!
Taking this much time to execute the operation WILL endup in giving him more options than not. And he will use that to ‘escape death’, the unwilling ‘Ghazi’!
some interesting tv footage sorry if someone already posted it.
aryone(Ghazi on ARY after Abdul Aziz capture )
http://stopdesi.com/view_video.php?viewkey=56fc8a4d2a519803d51b
aaj tv(Ghazi grilled on Aaj TV )
http://stopdesi.com/view_video.php?viewkey=92d2124a67ea0f4cb5f8&page=&viewtype=&category=
aaj tv( Video clip of Abdul Aziz in Burqa being arrested )
http://stopdesi.com/view_video.php?viewkey=eee1462c82c6964087ff
This is a make or break time for pak.
Cure this cancer now or it will be too late…
Updates 11:06
Blasts, gunfire heard at Lal Masjid
ISLAMABAD ( 2007-07-05 11:06:38 ) :
Pakistani forces detonated explosive charges early on Thursday as a warning to radicals besieged in a mosque, prompting those inside to throw hand grenades and open fire, security officials said. Police also fired teargas shells and smashed down one of the doors of the mosque, but have not yet entered, a senior security official near the scene told AFP on condition of anonymity.
Late Wednesday the leader of the mosque, Abdul Aziz, was captured while trying to flee the mosque dressed in a woman’s burqa, but his brother and around 200 followers remained inside.
The government has surprisingly taken all the right steps. It has shown flexibility by allowing women and youngsters to leave peacefully as well as promising no harm to anyone who surrenders. They have treated the people coming out of the mosque and Madrassa very well. I am not a big supporter of the Army and the government but they have handled this situation very well uplifting their image, at least in my eyes. No unnecessary bloodshed has been carried out. It is shameful that people are still trying to propel their political careers over the dead bodies of women and children. The political parties will do anything to get any political mileage out of this and any other issue. Shame on all the people who are making Muslims fight Muslims. America faced only one 9/11, but we have gone through a dozen 9/11s. What will it take for our people to understand. We need neither “enlightened moderation” nor “Fundatmentalism”. We are willing to talk to our worst enemies but don’t want to talk to our Muslim brothers. The Lal Masjid authorities, unfortunately played out into the hands of the unguided people who claim to represent Islam but are actually doing more to defame it. I don’t blame them entirely either, for in this age of confusion no one is sure about anything (and they call it the information age!!!). I have deep respect for the Ulemas and they should be treated with respect. The Ghazi brothers, willingly(I hope not) or inadvertently (only Allah knows) caused this drama. It leaves me with mixed feelings for them, where they probably wanted to do something right but went about it the wrong way. Thumbs up for the Rangers though !! job well done !!!
Cobra gunships in action. Firing reported. Looks like siege is on.
Mush is doing this to please his American masters. Contrast this to Karachi where MQM slaughtered 40 people recently, and are is still in power.
The secularist scum want a Hama done to the Muslims. They admire a Nusairi like Hafez-al-Asad (Nusairis worship Hazrat Ali as the “awatar” of Allah). I bet they really loves Sharon and Bush. These killers of Muslims are like lambs when they face the kuffar. Hafez-ul-Asad’s mercenary army got its butt kicked in Lebanon in June 1982. Pakistan’s secularist army, with its drunken officers surrendered to the cow-urine-drinkers in 1971.
Assalam u Alaykum
I sorta agree with Junaid. Whatever it was the people in Lal Masjid were trying to do something good (no doubt about it) but no one told them how to go about it. The govt. didnt listen didn’t care.At one point a person just has enough. This was a brothel to begin with, there would’ve been more, if no one would have raised their voice. We all have all the knowledge of the World but we are still ‘JAAHIL’ like ‘Abu Jahl’!!Because we dont know whats right and whats wrong. I was thinking what our prophet (saw) would have done if he had to stop such an evil, definitely NOT just sit there… so what is it that we should be doing?
BATILSHIKAN: Everyone knows how world-conquerer were the “Islamic” armies of the Taliban and how successful your mullah Hamas have been against Israel? Hafiz Al Asad at least did not considered Auntie Azia as his avatar. There is another Arab Islamic Army of Shariat-based Sudan which is bent upon eliminating fellow Muslims, because they are black and they do not speak Arabic, the language of Religious imperialism. So far they have killed only 200,000 muslism brothers and sister, raped thousands and uprooted about two million from their homes. All in the name of religion.
MAWI – DO not provide excuses for terrorists. No individual has authority to take law in hand whatever the reason. How can you justify ‘kangaroo courts’ the lal majid mullahs built up in the name of islam against its citizens. Raiding private residences is not trying to do “something good” as you claim. Had they been sincere to the society they should have started closer to home by eliminating paedophilia from MASrASSas, equiping madrass students with life skills and vocational knowledge so that they could be useful to the society and earn a livelihood. Only employment a MADrASSa graduate can hope to attain is mullah-pun at a mosque. But there are not enough mosques for all these graduates, despite attempts to erect them illegally everywhere. Now go back to your den.
PAKISTAN ALLEGEDLY IS A MUSLIM STATE SO THEREFORE
THE SHARIAH SHOULD BE IMPOSED. MY VIEW ARE NOT OF A FUNDAMENTALIST OR AN EXTREMIST. FOR A MUSLIM STATE THE SHARIAH LAW IS A MUST.
So, the younger evil finally decided to surrender…. this is a classic example of…
“GAAND LAGI PHATNAY TO KHAYRAAT LAGI BATNAY”….
lol..hheehhh
Elizamantin, seems like you didnt really read my comment properly.. I clearly stated that they were doing something good but ‘ no one told them how to go about it’, which means that raiding private residences, kidnapping and all is obviously the WRONG WAY! The ‘something good’ i was talking about was their effort to close down brothels .. It doesnt use up many brain cells to realize that this is a sin and it shouldn’t happen. The madrassa was wrong, but that doesnt mean the govt. is right. Why didn’t they take action when they should have. If the heads dont take authority then people WILL , whether they like it or not, and if they dont want that, then they should have acted responsibly as an Islamic state should.
MAWI:
Why do not people stand and stop the poverty in Pakistan, why do not they stand against the evils they have inside them? Why do not they arrest and stop people from going to brothels? all what Mullahs and so called society is and was interested in to implement shuriyat just for women of Pakistan….why didn’t they kidnapped punks walking around the streets…. people, those you are talking about, only stand for their own interest. TO be true, MEN have never had any problem with this issue. Because its woman who was threatened. Pakistani people”MEN” are only interested in forcing women to wear BURQA, and sit at home.
I haven’t seen any rally taken place by Men against this tyranny, only NGO’s and women stand against it.
Ghalia, you are spot on. The calls for Shariat by mullah are nothing but to subjugate and exploit women in the name of religion. It is an age old modus operandi of men to oppress women through terms and laws laid down by men in their favour. I don’t understand mullahs’ obsession with women — women’s clothing, their gait, even their way of talking, etc. They feel threatened that their domination will evaporate once women start realizing their rights as normal human beings, not slaves of men. Mullahs, if they intend any good of the society, should look in their own backyard first.
Mawi, prostitution might be a sin but not a heinous crime at par with trespassing of a private property, kidnapping and torture of citizens and official working for state organs, arson of public buildings, snatching of guns from police, using innocent students as their pawns and hostages to promote nefarious personal agenda, using children as human shields, possession and use of illegal weapons against the state, preaching and promoting violence, prostituting religion and selling paradise to the naive, you name it.
If you give mulahs rope tomorrow they might barge into your home to question your way of wusu or the height of the hems of your shalwar above ankles. Everyone’s religion (or life) is their own personal matter. It should be nobody’s business (neither mullahs not state’s) to interfere in people’s private lives; what they eat or drink, how they live, their sexuality, etc.
Ghalia and Jayjay Salaam,
I completely understand what you are saying, Also definitely Shariah is for everyone men and women. It is not disputed that all the doings of lal masjid (Jayjay listed) are crimes. And they shouldnt of happened But i will never say ALLOW PROSTITUTION.I will never say LET THERE BE NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MOMIN AND A KAAFIR. We all know that lal masjid is at fault but why are people so reluctant to talk about why these places opened up in Islamabad in the first place. Y is it so difficult to understand when Our Quran has stated it so clearly. Our prophet (saw) listed this in the guna e- Kabeera , thats not an ordinary crime.
Jay jay about what you said religion being a personal matter, well you are right religion is a personal matter but only in matters where it involves your personal conduct like lying, not praying etc. But not matters like prostitution which effects the society. If you know, the neighboring homes were supporting the masjid because no one wants things llike that happening around them.Everyone has a right to protest.
ITs very easy to make generalised statements about Paki ‘men’ and and mullahs and all, but I would advise you to read up on how american men treate their women. There are a lot of scholars out there who are very respected and glorify Islam.
Just to clarify, its ok to demand Shariah law implemented, its ok to protest when our govt. quietly watches brothels established but its not ok to do whatever Jayjay listed as the crimes :D (im in a hurry)
May Allah grant us the understanding of deen- Ameen.
my comment is that mulana abdul aziz should be hanged he seems that he is don he had brain washed the small children mind he is monster on this earth
hi slamm to all pakistani people very chornic issue is going in islambad about the lal masjid
the mula wants to rule out pakistan but we not let this happen
@Ghalia: On a lighter note (and don’t blast me here !), Maulana Abdul Aziz showed by example that all religously inclined men should also wear Burqas. So, at least, one man stands beside the oppressed women of Pakistan.
Prostitutes does not force men to come and have sex with them…men themselves come to them and the ladies just earn for the services they render to frustrated men…..it’s men who force women for everything…if men stop going to brothels, I am 100% sure the business would itself end one day or another.
And Mullahs’ have no right to take law in their own hands…those who have problem with brothel houses, which I am sure just because they can’t afford them, should go to police. File an FIR and wait for the justice. People of Pakistan have a very little patience and want things to be happen in a matter of second,, but my dear paki’s world does not work like this. It is a time consuming task but we should wait for things to happen. But what to do ES QOOM KA KHOON BOHUT GARAM HAI! Without any reasonī
I have read all the comments posted on the site. I would like to ask you what kind of comments you are publishing on the site? You are publishing only those comments which are in favour of Musharraf ( Cruel Person in the history). He is the murderer of innocent people.
which innocent people are you talking about? those who ahve been brainwashed and were Willing to sacrifice their lives”on the name of God” I am not with Musharaf unless or until someone give me a reason why should not he kill those terrorist.
If he wished, he could have had buried those” innocent” people on 3rd July. But he did not and tried to negotiate. I am also not in a favor of negotiation with terrorists. Why should government provide a safe passage to a murderer of thousands of people living under his roof, who have been brainwashed”. Even if he let go of those men and women they will join another militant group and start their campaign from there.
I only count people as innocents who surrender before the final operation but those who stayed inside, willingly, are not innocent. They wanted to die because otherwise police could have got valuable information from them, and we all know our police.