Going Back – 10th July 2007

10th July 2007 passed marking a huge spot not only in Islamabad’s history, but in Pakistan’s too. The year 2007 remained eventful throughout, till now and it’s just the seventh month. Giving no margins and no breaks to anyone.

What happened during lal masjid siege and the whole saga was something that will should leave us thinking of where things went wrong, how this extremism started, and well if it’s extremism at all?? Stance may have been right but implementation was wrong. Stance may have been right but how can you justify the many strings attached to the whole scene and were “reported” now and then??

On this I want to quote Hafiz saying these wonderful words … centuries back

Candle’s story how can I tell?
Of the broken heart’s living hell?
My sorrow is in how I can find
Another who knows these sorrows well.

نی قصه آن شمع چگل بتوان گفـت
نی حال دل سوخته دل بتوان گفـت
غم در دل تنگ من از آن است که نیست
یک دوست که با او غم دل بتوان گفت

Taking a picturesque review (courtesy Dawn, DT, Khabrain) of the events we went through just in one day. Correction: We only saw and opinionated en rage … and people suffered.

Lal Masjid SITE

The pictures show some events that took place during Operation Silence at Lal Masjid. A family member of a seminary student is in tears, while policewomen head towards the surrender point to handle the female students rescued from Jamia Hafsa. Armymen move towards the combat zone as smokes come out of Lal Masjid

And who suffered the most?? The families of not only the students but security officers too!!

With media now reporting about Lal Masjid’s media center, Explosions still going to detonate if any explosive material is inside, and burial preparations are up in Rojhan Mazari …!

That was a lot we had to see and digest in one day … isn’t it so??

So what lessons we are going to learn??

Tags: Lal Masjid , Islamabad, Islamabad Seige, Jameya Hafsa, Jameya Fareedia, Lal Masjid siege

88 Comments so far

  1. Mariam (unregistered) on July 12th, 2007 @ 6:46 am

    I am also disappointed to read the govt bashing that has immediately started on this blog as predicted by Kami or Sheepoo (i think) and thought i am no big fan of either the govt or the mullahs, ive got to stay ‘cool headed’ as the situation demands and point out that the blame game doesnt solve anything. Neither side was 100% right or 100% wrong all the time. But one thing the govt did do right was deal with this situation as best as it could. they were given SIX days to give up…to the point of begging and pleading with them but if they had decided to commit suicide then they are responsible for their own actions. Pardoning our own Maulana Ghazi was one matter, but amnesty for the foreigners???!! Regrettably it was the Maulana brothers mistake to give these ppl refuge who were wanted criminals and disowned even by their own organisations for being too extreme. Why, i ask, are proud pakistanis actually commenting that granting amnesty to them would have been acceptable? On this issue, the govt took a stand and rightly so as these are the people coming to hide in our cities and create fasaad.
    If, as the tide seems to be turning, there are wide spread protests against the govt by sympathisers or opportunists who want any excuse to bash the govt, then I ask you, what is the alternative?
    Before protesting, at least offer the next viable alternative to support your argument. Benazir ??? Nawaz Sharif??? Some MMA Maulana??
    Even the most optimistic will have to admit that these alternatives are tried and tested….the former two looted our country to the verge of bankruptcy and the later will lead us down a path similar to Iran or Afghanistan. Are these visions of the future acceptable to the ordinary moderate pakistani who loves their culture,food and traditional music??? Are the ordinary and already decent women of Pakistan really ready to wear a chogha of black from head to toe?
    When people talk of seeing the back of Mush, and rising up in protest, do they not realise that our country is in a very fragile position right now with no back up plan. The slightest upheaval will send us down a slippery slope to all out civil war. Not even the over zealous on this blog can cheer over the death of thousands that will result as a consequence.
    So, again i repeat, i am no fan of the govt, but unless you have a viable alternative than just vague talk of regime change, this army is all we have got protecting us from the over eager ‘Mother India’ designs of India on our left and the chaos of Afghanistan on our right. And believe me, a civil war will give all the excuses America needs to take over Pakistan to give us ‘democracy’. So I ask all of you again, if you dont like the system, dont just write abusive blogs, come up with a viable solution to strengthen our civil structure so we dont have to depend on the army.


  2. checkmate (unregistered) on July 12th, 2007 @ 10:29 am

    @Mariam : The solution is simple, give the TRUE peoples goverment a chance. Let the democracy work in Pakistan for a while, and keep the army in their barracks doing what they are supoosed to do. More than half the history of this country is shadowed by rule of the general, half of the remaining by the beauracracy. The army generals say what did the political and democractically elected government do in their two tenures. Well they weren’t allowed to work by the interventaion of the top brass of the same army whose generals covet for political power. Now look at the present dictators government. What has it given to the country? War, political unrest? Musharaf is trying to impose his own will, which he requires for his own survival on his people. A democractic government cant do that.

    So the “solution” as you ask is is let the polictial government and system , no matter how rotten or crippled, function for a while. It wont’t mature over a couple of years. It might take decades but thats the right way to go. It will not be easy in the start but let it work instead of upsetting the whole political structure by constant poking of nose in matters that are non of the business of the army. The system will mature over a certain period of time, after initial troubled times. If the political government keeps function, we would see true peoples leadership emerge after toils and hard work of a few decades (not a couple of years). Pakistan was created due to constant political struggle of many decades. It was not “won” by a bunch of generals. These generals had no role in creation of Pakistan. People won them out of the hands of British through constant political struggle, and that is exactly what is required once again for Pakistan’s survival.


  3. Saad (unregistered) on July 12th, 2007 @ 1:36 pm

    Checkmate: Problem is to ensure that such system will be allowed to work, here everyone wants to be the “savior” of the country either based on their religious or political views and this creates so much instability.


  4. checkmate (unregistered) on July 12th, 2007 @ 1:50 pm

    @Saad: It won’t happen over night or just in a few years. Let it go through. Let it spew up all the filth and garbage, but that’s the part of the evolution process. No single person can be, or should be the savior of the country. However this mind set would be changed over a certain period of time if political government is allowed to function no matter what the price. Pakistan wasn’t conceived in 2.5 years. It took persistant efforts and failures of decades to eventually come to realising a dream in 1940. The movement started way back in 1857. It took over a century. But atleast the track of the struggle was on the right course. At that time if that political movement had been destablized by power brokers, do you think Pakistan would have been born? Here what happens is that military dictators constantly interfere with the political processes and destablize governments. Military, even when out of power, is constantly busy trying to find ways getting into power. They think civilians are stooges, and democratically elected representatives incapable of running the government, just like Musharaf has said time and again. He may be right, but that is none of his business. He should have done his job in the boundaries of constitution, and should have let the political process take its course into maturity, instead of rejecting orders by the people’s government representative and considering himself of some superior entity to make the military machinary a beast that rejects government orders, has a mind of it’s own and is impossible to tame. The military beast needs to be tamed as soon as possible. That’s the biggest threat to Pakistan right now.


  5. omar r. quraishi (unregistered) on July 12th, 2007 @ 1:56 pm

    btw this blog has been mentioned in the news today by one of its columnists — and in not a very charitable light http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=64031


  6. Saad (unregistered) on July 12th, 2007 @ 3:16 pm

    Yea that was my point, somehow military should be made to realize that interfering in politics is not its job.


  7. Kami (unregistered) on July 12th, 2007 @ 5:34 pm

    @HAMID Add Kazi Hussain Ahmed, Molana Saiul Haque, Liaquat Bllaoch, Fazlul Rehman etc to that list


  8. Phil (unregistered) on July 12th, 2007 @ 6:58 pm

    Local blogs such as ‘Metroblogging: Islamabad’ were not much better. While the website itself provided ongoing, reliable updates on each new twist in the tale and its impact on the residents of surrounding areas, commentary on the origins and implications of the stand-off were limited to the comments section. There, readers and bloggers trying to make sense of the situation also gravitated towards opposing ends of the spectrum. Some decried army action as state terrorism while others argued against “terrorist mullahs” and called for the assassination of the mosque’s clerics. From the article Omar linked here.

    First off all, the poor author does not know that this is not a political blog by anyways or means. We report and discuss what happens in our city and politics lies inside the fringe, thus. We are not compelled to comment on the apathetic political scenario in Pakistan, now or ever. However, we DID! And that is where Huma intentionally left out stuff our authors were writing opinions about. Which is quite sad. While we tried our level best to keep the posts updated she found us lacking in some way. How typical.

    If she has any questions regarding the issue she can take it up somewhere else. We will not cater to people who come here seeking answers. We already have too many questions of our own. Hence the poll.

    Lastly, she made a comment about the comments section. Saying that people in the comments section gravitated to the extremes. Which is very true.

    While the blogging world is praising what IMB did in the last week, we have a fellow Pakistani belittling our efforts so unthankfully. ‘Local Blogs,’ I ask what other ‘Local Blog’ does she know that covered the event with such depth and detail?


  9. Abdullah (unregistered) on July 12th, 2007 @ 8:59 pm

    Here is an interesting angle. Before the lal masjid became news, the Government had launched several campaingns to uphold international copyright piracy laws, which included, among other steps, going after CD shops for violating copyright laws. Raids were conducted on a few CD shops (no doubt the ones who were not ‘cooperative’ with the authorities. I remember several times in Islamabad, CD shop owners did a ‘disappearing’ act and we could not buy any CDs. However, after the lal masjid people started their campaign against CDs (for all together different reasons), the Government, which was previously raiding these shops, now took an altogether different line.
    Both were after the illegal CDs for altogether different reasons. And soon again, when under international pressure, when CD shops will be closed for violation of copyright laws, no one will object.


  10. KAMI (unregistered) on July 12th, 2007 @ 11:51 pm

    @PHIL I agree with you 100%. When I look back at the comments I posted on MIB in the past week, I see the mood swings which were reflected in my writings, from objectivity to utter nonsense, from anger to bad tasted humour it all came out. Have I any regrets? No.

    How could you not expect out pouring of emotions when something so intense is un-reviling in front of eyes, when there is such high drama and so many lives are at stake. In fact the future of the whole nation is at stake. We are not computer programs compiling reports from available data. We are humans.

    Yes, some of us have cursed the Mullahs and others have cursed the military, Musharraf, but I have also seen strong arguments from both side of the spectrum, so what else does she want from a blog?


  11. imtiaz (unregistered) on July 13th, 2007 @ 12:50 am

    Doctor is seems to be ver informed about every thing including some information which I guess even Army and Govt. are also not aware off, Doctor you should be head of an agency or may be you headed KGB (obviously in your dreams). Stop posting stupid comments from Ajj TV use your tiny brain and two eye. What happen at Lal-Masjid is very very sad for every Pakistani, but for some it a golden opprotunity to use politically like MMA, they got time to attend that meeting in London to organize against Mushraf but did not get courage to stand and act as mediator to resolve the issue and at least present in Pakistan but like so many time is past when ever pakistan needs them they are out side haveing party (and God knows what happen at those parties). How these militant got so much of arm in a place like mosque and launch a fight and kill inocent people in the name of Islam. What govt. did is 200% correct and yes every pakistani is asd on the loss of people. Salut to Pakistan army for their courage and sacrfise for the sake of Pakistan and Islam.


  12. imtiaz (unregistered) on July 13th, 2007 @ 1:23 am

    @WK – I agrre with you on SSG, how could Doctor know he didnt even knew about humans he is A ANIMAL DOCTOR !!!!!!!!!


  13. Harris (unregistered) on July 13th, 2007 @ 1:39 am

    Q1: If the militant had the weapons (which govt says they had) the must’ve attacked the forces cuz they were fighting HAT-AL-MAUT (till death) and there should be more causalities in the forces,

    Q2: And if they had weapons, why are the building behind the forces are safe and sound, and not like the walls of the sieged building.

    Q3: If they had hand grenades mortars, RPG’s and Hand bombs, why were they making Petrol bombs???? which can do nothing…

    govt is a liar, f*** mush!!


  14. d0ct0r (unregistered) on July 13th, 2007 @ 1:42 am

    and these are the mass graves am talking about.. dug by shovel and multiple bodies being dumped into single large grave…

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/story/2007/07/070712_lalmasjid_burial_confusion.shtml


  15. Harris (unregistered) on July 13th, 2007 @ 1:45 am

    I second you Doctor, let these m****** f****** mqm ppl bark!


  16. d0ct0r (unregistered) on July 13th, 2007 @ 1:45 am

    @imtiaz i never made any comment about SSG commandos , you dumbos seriously need to use your eyes and brains next time you read any comments…


  17. Harris (unregistered) on July 13th, 2007 @ 2:08 am

    **explanation**

    attacked here means, when they started the OPERATION SILENCE, attacking would be the last resort to balance the death toll, cuz one way or the other, the sieged ppl had to die.


  18. d0ct0r (unregistered) on July 13th, 2007 @ 2:09 am

    this is 2nd massacre commited by Dictator in almost 2 months, first it was 12th May’s massacre in Karachi in which almost 50 people were murdered by Musharraf’s team mates from MQM, while after almost 2 months now(today was 12th july) another massacre staged by the dictator in which conflicting death toll figure are emerging… DG ISPR saying 75 civilian and 11 Military deaths(total = 86) , DC Islamabad 102 Civilian and 11 Military deaths, while independent media saying that almost 285+ people died in this standoff..


  19. d0ct0r (unregistered) on July 13th, 2007 @ 2:23 am

    halarious thing is that even govt’s own figures are not macthing, DG ISPR giving different figure while DC Islamabad giving higer figure… so either one or both of them are fooling the people and media..


  20. AnotherPakistani (unregistered) on July 13th, 2007 @ 5:29 am

    I make dua to Allah, O Allah if there was even a single more person killed than the numbers given by the Government, then Allah make the people successful who will take revenge and chop off the heads of Musharraf, Eijazul Haq and other colonels and generals who belong to the same mentality and those who support them, Ameen.


  21. Kami (unregistered) on July 13th, 2007 @ 7:39 am

    So now the responsibility of all this is on Musharraf. What about the Ghazi Bros., they excaped scot free. Free of all responsibility, they were the principals of this Fitna-Institution, the lives of the students were given in their hands by their parents. it was their responsibility to honour their trust. Instead, they used them as bargaining chips and took them with them. Those who wanted to come out did came out, rest wanted shahadat/suicide, they got what they wanted.

    Bara Ghazi is still alive why dont somebody grabs his grebaan and ask him,” Are you satisfied now? here is your shariat and congratulations you are responsible for a large consignment to Jannat.”

    Where in the world you get a media coverage like this. No western country gives such leverage to media in situations like this. Live coverage to the Molana, free airtime. Media wants to be in the hospital broadcating bodies and injured coming in live, what they want to do create chaos and anarchy?. No, govt allows such live coverage. What we he have is unpresedented.

    Musharraf is indeed brave, this would not had been easy but he has the guts to do what he is right, whereas, others have taken the easy option i.e. criticise. He has taken the responsibility of not only his actions but of others who did or did not do what they were supposed to do.

    I see now MMA leaders, spewing poison and calling this an atrocity. I am even willing to accept their argument only when even one of them condemns in no uncertain terms the murder innocents by the hand Jihadist bombers, kidnappers, and beheaders who have brought such shame to Islam.


  22. Kami (unregistered) on July 13th, 2007 @ 7:43 am

    You call Musharaf a Dictator. You have not seen Dictators.

    Sorry for the typo’s in my last post


  23. Sajid (unregistered) on July 13th, 2007 @ 10:41 am

    To Doctor, WK and Imtiaz.

    I think WK mixed up my mentioning of SSG in my post for “Doctor’s” post.
    I know all are wel wishers of Pakistan. And every one has their opinion about the incident which caused the death of lot of Pakistani people( it does not matter what side).
    My concern is why it happened?
    If we go back to 1979 and start going through the history we can see Pakstan Amry, Saudi money and CIA planning has let to do with what happened at Lal Masjid in 2007.
    In every country, army and their intelligence agency has a job to protect its nation and its people from internal and external threats.
    Intelligence agencies tries to neutralize the threats before they can acually do any harm to their country. They do a lot of espionage activities out side of their country and promote Sabotage( through extremist elements) to protect their country’s interest. While doing all this they make sure that heir own country remain free and safe of such activities and elements.
    In this regard CIA did very well during cold war, they used Saudi Money and Pakistani labor and land to achieve their task.
    ISI also did a brilliant job by establishing schools in Pakistan which were giving Guerrilla warfare training , recruiting extremist elements in Pakistan which were coming from all over the world. Religion is a very powerful tool.
    But ISI forgot only one thing, instead of weakening its Foe, ISI shook the foundation of its own country.

    Cannot blame others if we shoot ourself again and again.
    Now history repeats itself.

    “Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed.” Mark Twain

    May the God give strength to the families of dead

    “What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?” Mohandas Gandhi


  24. adnan (unregistered) on July 13th, 2007 @ 6:06 pm

    @kami
    No, we have seen dictators, at least two. One was Zia and other Mush.
    If you have seen any other than these, please let us know.


  25. Kashif Hafeez Siddiqui (unregistered) on July 13th, 2007 @ 6:08 pm

    Pls read the remarkable column of Dr. Shahid Masood

    http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/jul2007-daily/13-07-2007/col3.htm


  26. Kashif Hafeez Siddiqui (unregistered) on July 13th, 2007 @ 6:15 pm
  27. KAMI (unregistered) on July 13th, 2007 @ 11:30 pm

    @KASHIF I have read your article and that of Shahid Masood . Shahids article is much more emotional, whereas, I found yours more objective. No doubt they were innocent, but they were robbed of their innocence by none other than their teachers. Ironically, two of them are still alive. As for the responsibility, for what happened, I think we are all responsible me, you, Shahid Masood, Jayyad Ulema, poiliticians, Awaam and Musharraf. To justify any vigilante action by those brain washed souls is futile. The system has failed them, like the system has failed those poor girls who make a living dancing in Heera Mandi or stage or running Ayaashee ke adday.. Are they not also victims? If you shut down their livelihood, drag them by their heir and kill them, will that not be zulm. The fact is, zulm is every where. Remember thousands of women brutally raped by powerful men and thrown in the lock up under hudood ordinance, they are still alive but are they?

    Sanaa Khawan-e-Mashriq ko lao
    Unhein ye galyaan, ye koochay dikhaoo
    Sana Khawan-e-Taqdees-e-Mashriq Kahan hein?

    Victims dragging victims in the street will solve nothing. The culprits will stay alive, as it is the case in Hafsa. Emotional writing can bring a tear in our eye but can also blur our vision. A very strong section of our population has systematically thrown our people into the clutches of jahaalat. Cursing, killing or writing marseiay will not get us any where. If we just can give ilm to our people, uncensored, undoctored, pure and simple ilm. Ilm jo zahnoon ko roshan karey.Is that too much too ask. If we have to fight, cant we fight for this.

    Teray Azaar Ka charaa nahein Nashter ke siwa
    Aur ye saffaq maseeha meray qabze mein nahein
    Is jahan ke kisi zee rooh ke qabze mein nahein
    Haan magar teray siwa teray siwa. Teray siwa


  28. KAMI (unregistered) on July 14th, 2007 @ 1:02 am

    @ADNAN the others are Saddam, Marcos, Shah of Iran, Pinochet of Chille and not to mention thousands in history. And they were vicious!! You cannot even compare Mush to Zia-ul-Haque. All the dictators had one thing in common, no freedom, no media and no explanation of their action just pure and simple murder. Whereas, our dictator Mush can be scolded publicly,. To his credit he comes on the same media and takes responsibility for his actions, everybody else is busy dodging responsibility or transferring it or pointing fingers or writing emotional articles. In this regard there is only one Musharraf.

    So what has happened, Musharraf has taken it all on his shoulders, but the real culprits as I said earlier are still alive and nobody is asking them what did you do? Why did you sent your students to their deaths and why are you still alive?


  29. Hungry (unregistered) on July 14th, 2007 @ 3:59 am

    @Kami,

    Those dictators didn’t give head to their Masters, they acted on their own. But our dictator wants to give head to his master, thats why we have media. Those dictators didn’t want MTV award or try to sell their books at Amazon.com.

    The only thing he fears is Media(PERIOD) and he wouldn’t get tired of sucking his Master, all he wants is CNN and FOX praising him day and night.

    When you stop preaching Musharraf, get some fresh air and get some life.


  30. Kami (unregistered) on July 14th, 2007 @ 4:41 am

    @HUNGRY Isee CNN & FOX all the time and I dont see any paises. In fact all the time he is being critisized for not doing enough, making pact with the terrorrists, coverring up for jihaadis and what not. I remember Mush speaking on the UN platform saying that Madrassah’s are the biggest NGO’s and defended their role despite all the pressure. This is how he was re-paid.

    Come on, you guys can do better all I see are statements, it seems that nobody can make an argument.

    You said that he heads to his masters. Let me tell you when he took power, Pakistan was broke, we could not even pay our monthly dues. We didn’t have one master, the list includes;

    1/ Saudia
    2/ China – who paid our instalments.
    3/ USA ofcourse – we had sanctions.

    and whoever who lent us money.

    So, my friend beggars cant be choosers, If you get broke and asked even your closest relatives for money, they will start avoiding you or atleast impose their will on you. Its not different with countries.

    I am not a great fan of dictatorships but I know what the realities are, I know what wonderful alternatives we have. So I am sticking with the one who is brave.

    I am not even gonna comment on “those dictators didnt head to their Masters” sometimes ignorance is a bliss.


  31. Sajid (unregistered) on July 14th, 2007 @ 8:14 am

    @Kami
    U are right ignorance is a bliss.
    Strong nations with strong people never submit to any Dictator or a force imposed on them.
    Well on other hand Weak nations with lazy people are very eager to accept any rule whether forced or imposed without their consent. It saves them the trouble of finding and electing people of their choice. If the elected persons do not perform up to the mark, then they have to kick them out. Then repeat the same process over and over again until they are able to find and elect stable and descent people in the office. This is a never ending loop as it means step by step improvement for the country and its people.
    See how tiring is the process and how much work is involved in it.
    Rather let the Army, God or any other force( who cares) take care of all the issues and be a sheep in the herd. Baaaaaaaaaaa
    Thats just one sheep’s thought.

    Regards
    Sheep
    Long live Musharaf or who ever is next


  32. Kami (unregistered) on July 14th, 2007 @ 9:01 am

    @Sheep agreed on every point and there is no denying, that the democratic process, however, langri looli should continue. People need to be kicked before they kick someone. We have never been a strong nation in fact we have yet to decide after 60 years, whether we are a Nation or an accident of history.

    I am defending Musharraf because I am not the one that offloads everything bad that has happened in Pakistan, army/politics on his shoulders and absolve myself and others of their responsibilities. He might be wrong, stubborn or stupid but he has tried to fix things that he didnt broke and has faced the fire bravely.

    I remember a journalist in US who asked him, “Why did you publish your book while in power, people write books after they retire.” To this he replied, “I am not sure that I will live that long, so better write it now.”

    I rest my case.


  33. af (unregistered) on July 14th, 2007 @ 11:00 am

    @Kami,

    Good comparison, now we know who we should compare MUSH with Saddam, Marcos, Shah of Iran, Pinochet of Chille.

    and we shouldn’t compare him with ZIa aur Ayub.

    So who is MUSH going to kill now ? Edhi? or Justice Ch.??


  34. Sajid (unregistered) on July 14th, 2007 @ 11:58 am

    @Kami

    you said that you are defending Musharaf because you dont want to offload the current happening’s to his shoulders.
    Well I can say that you did not establish the Madrassah which wanted to establish state within state.
    You did not provide arms and training to the “students” of Madrassah.
    You did not provide any financial assistance to that Madrassah to buy weopens.
    Then why you should feel responsible for that event.
    Army and ISI supplied all the above to every extremist element(religious or political) in Pakistan including Lal Masjid.
    The religious extremist are the product of flirt between Pak Army(Mother) and CIA(Father). Saudi Govt acted as financial broker.
    After the sepration the kids normally live with their mother.
    Have you ever heard Mother killing its own children cause what ever she taught initially to its children was bad and now the kids will not listen to mommy.
    I think in this case Mommy is at fault. Mommy needs to stay at home(barrack) and stop flirting specially when kids are getting hurt.
    Mommy(Pak army) is making the same mistake again and history will repeat it self.

    “What the mother sings the cradle goes all the way down to the coffin.”- Henry Ward Beecher


  35. Kami (unregistered) on July 14th, 2007 @ 9:21 pm

    @SAJID who says army is not hugely responsible for this mess, but it was not Musharraf’s Army, it was Zia-ul-Haques army. The clean-up will be within and without, the likes of Gen. Hameed Gul are still out there to grab power and promote their screwed up ideologies. Remember, if another zealot general manages to get his way, all these MMA’s will flock around him, like they did with Zia-ul-Haque and we will again drift into abyss.

    The wounds of Afghan and Kashmir Jehaad are so deep that they simply wont go away. If now, there was a single civilian leader with resolve and character that could stand up to for right and challenge the status quo I would rally behind him/her. I did rally behind some of the present lot and they robbed me.

    Lets be patient, have a few elections, let the leadership emerge, till then the Army has to show us that they could mend as well as brake. Like it or not, if you take out the army from the equation, there would be chaos then anything else. Now is the time to keep the boat steady and dont let it roll over.

    In my opinion we have come out of this crisis stronger than weaker. Ofcourse people are sad and angry but they also realize what types of threats are in store for us and what types of agenda’s are out there. I would like to see political alignments on left and right and not linguistic and ethnic and people once and for all deciding what type of Pakistan they want by casting there vote. Ofcourse, army would always be there, like its there in Turkey but it will gradually weakened.


  36. Sajid (unregistered) on July 15th, 2007 @ 12:12 am

    @Kami

    You said” Like it or not, if you take out the army from the equation, there would be chaos then anything else.”

    I am in favor of chaos, then to see army in the equation.

    The damage this guy is inflicting is too huge. We will see the results of his damage as we are watching results, in 2007, of damage done by Zia in 80’s.

    Regards


  37. Kami (unregistered) on July 15th, 2007 @ 5:50 am

    @SAJID It seems you will soon be having your wish. Two Division’s have been despatched to Swat, thers has already been a suicide bombing on a convoy killing more than two dozen soldiers and a failed attemp to car bomb Peshawar.

    If this continues then there bound to be a face off b/w the millitary and Mullah Fazlullah of Swat. Lets see who will be the hero and who will be the villain.

    The golden opportunity for removing army from the equation was lost by Zulfiquar Ali Bhutto. He was the most powerful civillian leader we had and had a firm grip on the millitary. Instead he choosed to be the Martial Law Administrator and gifted us Zia. Nawaz Sharif again had this opportunity when he had Jahangir Karamat as the COAS, a firm believer of army’s non-invlovement in politics. He removed him and appointed Mush and then gifted power to him.

    If you have friends like these then who needs enemies. Sometimes I am just plain and simple frustrated…..


  38. RS (unregistered) on July 17th, 2007 @ 12:49 am

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