Pakistan Supreme Court reinstates chief justice Iftikhar Chaudhry

Pakistan Supreme Court Friday reinstated chief justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry. The short order was pronounced by justice Khalilur Rehman Ramday, the head of the 13-member full court of the supreme court . The court also declared invalid the presidential reference against chief justice Iftikhar Chaudhry. While the reinstantement order was unanimous, the verdict about the reference was a 10-3 majority decision.

71 Comments so far

  1. TREETOP (unregistered) on July 22nd, 2007 @ 2:56 am

    With hundreds of years of sustained democratic process U.S produced bush,i will take mush over bush anytime.Optimism is not a bad thing,but do you realy believe that a single decion by SC will set the stage for a blossiming dem in pakistan.I dont see a single politician or party that i can vote for with confidence.


  2. pm (unregistered) on July 22nd, 2007 @ 3:31 am

    TREETOP, amazing you think bush is only ‘product’ of sustained democratic process. do visit and read about U.S. you will know what does civilized nation means. though i’d agree U.S does not apply the same standard to uncivilized nations.


  3. TREETOP (unregistered) on July 22nd, 2007 @ 3:57 am

    PM,i had a cursory glance at U.S. history a long time ago and i spent 12 years in U.S. its not bad, i had a good time while living on the wildside.U.S. is a victim of its own imaginations, there is nothing to go ga ga about.


  4. pm (unregistered) on July 22nd, 2007 @ 4:25 am

    now i’m stunned, you lived there for 12 years and you think democracy is all about bush and you would prefer mush a military dictator ruling over U.S. gimme a break sir.


  5. TREETOP (unregistered) on July 22nd, 2007 @ 5:20 am

    PM you are trying to drag me toward inttellectual masterbation about democracy,i am not good at this art,please enlighten me.


  6. KAMI (unregistered) on July 22nd, 2007 @ 8:50 am

    @PM I do not suffer from denial of history syndrome, whether they be the genocides committed by Saddam, Hitler, Pinochett, Pak Army in Bangladesh, Sharia govt in Sudan, US in Vietnam, Spain in South America, Japan in South East Asia, Beslan killings by the Chechens or even ruthless extermination of jews in Madina by the Muslims and the list goes on

    However, in all the above cases unarmed innocents were deliberately targeted and slaughtered. I don’t know how can that be compared to Hafsa, where a heavily armed group was involved in kidnapping, murder, intimidation, mutiny, armed combat killing none less than 10 highly trained soldiers with all the protective gear. Keeping the capital city hostage for more than six month, setting up a parallel government, Hafsa brigade left very little options for any one deciding their fate. For me the Hafsa guys will never be the innocent victims or super heroes. In the end it was a mass suicide by a cult. Sorry, that’s how I feel about it now, and have seen nothing to feel otherwise. I am now sick of debating this issue, so please don’t drag me into it.

    Also, as much as I hate Bush and his catastrophic decision making, I am not the one that will blame US or any other power for our predicament. Whatever, the situation we find ourselves is primarily of our doing. After 60 years of independence we still don’t know why Pakistan was created?, What is the ideology of Pakistan?, Is there an ideology of Pakistan? What kind of system we want? In the future will be fighting on ethnic lines or will be divided between the ideological right or the liberal left?

    One positive that I see is regarding the last question, I think we are moving towards a showdown between left and right. It would be interesting to see how things unfold. .

    Oh I remember, what about dropping of Nuclear bomb over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I don’t think that was an easy decision taken by a democratic government, Japan was warned of what was coming. Thousands died in seconds and nobody cried foul, nobody even asked for justification? Can you compare that with Hafsa? Aren’t we blowing things out of proportion?


  7. pm (unregistered) on July 22nd, 2007 @ 3:21 pm

    Kami, no dictator or his followers ever claim or accept that they have committed genocide. All of the dictators are humans and it is very hard for a human to accept that they are ‘targetting’ and ‘slaughtering’ ‘unarmed innocents’ ‘deliberately’.
    I don’t myself want to be dragged into proving rights or wrongs in lal masjid issue. One problem I face while talking to EME (Enlightened Moderated Extremists) is that whoever says lal masjid was a massacre by pakistan army they think he is a fanatic mullah. You just accepted that pakistan army committed genocide in Bangladesh, but at that time whoever said that it has committed genocide in Operation Search Light he was actually considered an indian agent :).


  8. pm (unregistered) on July 22nd, 2007 @ 3:32 pm

    BTW there is no showdown between left and right in Pakistan, Pakistan army like any fascist army will always try to safeguard it’s interest. They are going to make deals with real terrorist (AlQaeda) they can not fight in any case, they can kill only unarmed innocents. Look how hecticly they are trying to save the agreement with Local Talibans in Waziristan. They are not used to die in combat , in Kargil they ran as soon as their death toll started climbing , then in 2005 they agreed to withdraw from Waziristan as their death toll started rising.
    You are living in fool paradise if you think there is any showdown between left and right, it is a local battle between two mafia groups. And no doubt U.S and NATO forces are thinking to take the matter into their hands as they are slowly realizing how pakistan army is making them fool.


  9. TREETOP (unregistered) on July 22nd, 2007 @ 6:15 pm

    KAMI you are the sensible one{no intentions to patronize you}.We dont need an idealogy for pakistan,simple logic and reasoning is good enough.
    PM a good general does not go into a war that he cannot win.Lower caders of the pak army do not want to fight their own people,high command has realized that.Do not underestimate the strenth of pakistan army, its a mighty army,feel proud of it.


  10. pm (unregistered) on July 22nd, 2007 @ 7:02 pm

    TREETOP, I am sorry but I feel ashamed of this army. There is no doubt it is a mighty army against unarmed bloody civilians whom it has conquered not once but five times now. I feel myself secure that I am not in Pakistan but I am concerned about several of my loved ones living in Pakistan. You have lived abroad and you’ll know what does it mean by feeling secure. I sincerely hope that the independant judiciary slowly and gradually would make it possible for people living there feel secure. At the moment I can just pray that my loved ones and in general all Pakistanis are not at wrong place at a wrong time, otherwise they might be butchered by this army as they have done so from baluchistan to waziristan and Islamabad numerous times.


  11. TREETOP (unregistered) on July 22nd, 2007 @ 8:35 pm

    PM it seems to me that you have a penchant for distorting the objective realities.I am by no means pro dictatorship,i wish for a utopian drmocratic pakistan.
    Member of the armed forces are not from mars,they are the product of the same culture and breed as the rest of us.You have the right to demand high morals and ethics{proffesionalism}from them.But, if you look around and see how degenerate as a nation we are you will find that army still has higher values.
    Your are making too much of your experience abroad{it seems to me your starstuck}.I have been to fareast,EU,and north and south america,i seldom had a problem of assimilation.I studied these cultures from the inside not looking from the outside.I had fun, i do not want to take away the good things they have but unlike you i was not overwhelmed.I am not an ultranationalist i like to the things in perspective and balance.

    thank you


  12. KAMI (unregistered) on July 22nd, 2007 @ 10:37 pm

    TREETOP agreed no ideology required, but there are quite a few trying to invent one, and impose it on others.

    PM I will not justify any of the disastrous operations under taken by the military establishment, and will not exempt them of any responsibility for the malaise that plagues us today. Where I disagree, is that there is no left or right or other vested interest groups in our country. Remember General Akbar Khan and the Rawalpindi conspiracy case. He foolishly conspired to overthrow and establish a socialist order in the country and sought help from Faiz Ahmed Faiz and others, who had to endure jail & torture.

    Since, independence and even before that there has been the landed gentry, the privileged few, the so called Muslim Leaguers who at any cost want to safeguard their lands and their interests, keep the haris illiterate, pay no taxes and get all the privileges. You live abroad and you know very well that you pay taxes and you get privileges, but here, the ones who don’t get VIP treatment and the tax payers line the roads. The fact that after 60 years of independence we have yet to tax the so called 80% of our economy speaks volumes about this fact. Today every major political party has Muslim Leaguers in droves; except for I guess Jamat-e-Islami and MQM.

    As for the educated middle classes, the poor guys have been slugging it out at the universities and on the streets since 1947. The right symbolized by Jamaat-e-Islami aided by Muslim League and the left taken for a ride by the Peoples Party and both ultimately delivering them to the feudals, ofcourse under the careful watch of the military. The Bengali’s were different, they didn’t have any feudals and had socialist tendencies, they were in majority and they successfully broke off, again more good for our feudals – a threat removed.

    Now I see another trend, the middle class in Karachi somehow sprouted into MQM, some might classify it as purely ethnic, but to me they are a middle class trying to break out and break the shakles and challenging the status quo, they are also trying to reach out, but the vested interests I believe feel threatened. Unfortunately, as they did in Bangladesh all political parties want to isolate them, surprisingly, this is the only point on which they agreed during APC, which is a folly and a very dangerous stance. The positive in the present Pakistan society, which I see is the growing middle class in Punjab, will this mushroom and reach out to the other Pakistanis and recognize their due share or will it be exploited by the vested groups? These are the questions whose answers will set the tone for the future of our country.


  13. TREETOP (unregistered) on July 23rd, 2007 @ 12:14 am

    KAMI could not find a soft corner for MQM.All embracing punjab like other provinces is getting too nationalistic{punjabi} with every passing day.Not a good omen.


  14. KAMI (unregistered) on July 23rd, 2007 @ 12:48 am

    TREETOP being nationalistic is not bad, but not recognizing rights of others is, we are indeed a group of nations and as long as we recognize these entities and give each its due share then all will be ok. Not having a soft corner for MQM I can understand but isolating them like Awami League will be foolish. They are a product of very special circumstances and are capable of doing a lot of good as well as harm, not engaging them will be fool hardy, espeacially when none of the political parties is capable of providing a viable alternative to the people of Karachi.


  15. pm (unregistered) on July 23rd, 2007 @ 1:51 am

    Fuedals, Capitalists, Clergymen (mullahs), ultra rich individuals, beauracracy all these classes exist in most of the developed societies. There is only class which is not present in any civilized society is military beauracracy which exist in Pakistan. That reminds me of Aitzaz Ahsen comment about karachi rally that only additional factor in karachi was MQM :) and that caused havoc there on 12th may. Similarly only additional factor in Pakistan (and may be some other 3rd world countries) is military mafia , they have guns (oops tanks/missiles) in their hands and they cause havoc in pakistan.
    Though it is very hard to argue with most of the poeple who are ‘brainwashed’ by military just like it is very hard to argue with ‘innocent’ students of Jamia Hafsa who were ‘brainwashed’ by mullahs. Yet when I saw so many people in Pakistan chanting slogans against army during the CJP procession I took heart that most of the Pakistanis are in fact ‘moderates’ just like most of the Pakistanis are in fact ‘moderates’ (as in context of religious fundamalism).
    Kami, Treetop I believe this debate is not going to reach any conclusion. thanks for enlightening me with your comments.
    regards


  16. pm (unregistered) on July 23rd, 2007 @ 2:01 am

    TREETOP I’ll ignore your personal comments for me but just to let you know I have been in US, Saudi/Pakistan and now in Europe for a long time of life. I have spent several years in each of those places , so don’t worry I have an insight into all these societies :).


  17. KAMI (unregistered) on July 23rd, 2007 @ 2:10 am

    @PM in fact it has reached a conclusion i.e. majority of the people of Pakistan are moderate. The only point of difference is setting of sole responsibility for the malaise on only one institution or group. On this I beg to disagree, however, its been a nice chat, thanks for your discourse, you certainly know your history.

    I hope your brainwashing comment was not directed towards me :)


  18. KAMI (unregistered) on July 23rd, 2007 @ 2:35 am

    There is an interesting inter-village competition going on, nobody is picking up this story except for dawn;

    http://dawn.com/2007/07/22/top7.htm


  19. TREETOP (unregistered) on July 23rd, 2007 @ 2:55 am

    PM i appoligize for offending you.I usualy go on the tree top after 4 PM.


  20. Abdullah (unregistered) on July 24th, 2007 @ 10:22 am
  21. Anonymous (unregistered) on July 31st, 2007 @ 7:20 pm

    I think this below blog is worth reading as to how Justice Iftikhar exploited whole nation in the name of Justice.

    http://aj-ka-pakistan.blogspot.com/2007/07/cj-iftikhar-case-historic-decisioin-or.html



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