Effects of Lal Masjid “Red Mosque”, controversy on young generation!

The on-going conflict between the liberalism and fundamentalism in the country following the Lal Masjid issue and the demolishing of mosques in Islamabad has affected the young generation at large.

The students in different colleges and universities, in Islamabad, are fighting for the acceptance of their perceptions on the contemporary matters.

Female students who prefer wearing ‘Hijjab’ and religious students with flowing beards are often offended by students who are under no such compulsion and come from modern families.

Such students also do not like to be friends with the so-called fundamentalists and keep themselves away from them most of the time.

After the Lal Masjid siege, students who thought it was a plot hatched by the government against the innocent people became a target of hatred.

In certain colleges and universities, where co-education is offered, it has been seen that there are different groups of students that comprise liberalists and fundamentalists. (Sometimes I wonder why a person’s perception about life has been given such names).

The way we say that all Muslims are not terrorists, in the same manner people who consider Hijjab and Beard as a part of their sanctity should not be considered aliens. It is their prerogative and no one has the right to offend them for this unless it is harming someone.

The students who are victims of this controversy have been abused by fellow students who called them “Ninjas and dirty Mullahs,” (I used to pass such comments but within my circle of friends).
This makes me wonder that then why such students call them Liberalists when they act like fundamentalists.

This fire of hatred within the young generation for each other is not a healthy sign for the development of a young mind. This is bringing a communication gap between students because of different point of views about Islam and society. The reason I understood is the lack of tolerance and inability to listen to others’ point of view.

Now to deal with this problem, which has always been an issue but is on the rise for the last few months, proper counseling to the students in colleges and universities is needed. (Which I think has not been provided in any, or is it?)

The interaction between students and teachers on different issues could bring them close to each other which should help them understand the point of view of their fellow students. Media could be another platform for educating the young generation and help them get out of it in this time of turmoil.

39 Comments so far

  1. Pak_Stallion (unregistered) on August 21st, 2007 @ 4:14 am

    If for example a young lady is coming back from work alone riding a motor bike or cycle here is how the so called “men” of both sides in our society will react:

    Liberal Guy: Hello darling – whats your phone number, baby (cause I am a complete loser idiot & cant control myself)

    Fundamentalist Guy: Tobah tobah ye kiya ker rahee hain aap, please wait let me put a bomb on my head and blow both of us up & go to hell (cause I am also a stupid loser idiot)

    The point is, we have to open our minds before anything. Take a normal decent middle path. And simply grow up. Make ourselves idiot proof. Let me remind us that this is not Saudi Arabia or America, this is Pakistan.

    The writer has touched upon a very important issue however I do not agree with the final words “help them get out of it in this time of turmoil” – We are NOT in any turmoil, we are a big nation and things happen. There are great times ahead of us, we must interject positive energy and push the nation forward cause the competition is serious, we must stay focused, nothing should distract us.


  2. Jameel (unregistered) on August 21st, 2007 @ 8:34 am

    All good points. Perhaps we all should listen to this lecture :

    Commonly Misunderstood Qur’anic Texts- Dr Jamal Badawi

    http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=shakirshuvo&p=r&page=2


  3. IUnknown (unregistered) on August 21st, 2007 @ 12:14 pm

    @jameel: wat do u mean by saying that

    “And simply grow up. Make ourselves idiot proof. Let me remind us that this is not Saudi Arabia or America, this is Pakistan”

    @ghaliya: u r right and as well as u have become very optimistic abt student counseling in pakistan. No one does that. they take money and just give nothing.

    U r rite that hatred has been spread but its not that much . Its restricted to abt 2% hardly but still its not good enough.

    the govt. shud think before taking such steps which are dividing us as a nation.


  4. mr. spellcheck (unregistered) on August 21st, 2007 @ 6:17 pm

    Ghalia, the title should read “Effects of Lal Masjid…” not “Affects….

    Affect is a verb, while effect is the noun.


  5. Ghalia Aymen (unregistered) on August 21st, 2007 @ 6:42 pm

    Mr. spellcheck: thanks for the info, I am optimistic that with the help of people like you will make my English good…thanks once again.

    Pak-Stallion: yes! If we look at the both ends we will find the same old mentality but with different style. We are damaging our society and religion by being either a Liberalist or a fundamentalist. It is we who are becoming the victim.

    Being liberal or religious person does not give us the right to force people to follow the path we are walking on. In our society the problem is that everyone considers it his right to make others act, the way he/she want them too.

    Counseling is very important as it is an outlet of depression and thoughts which are keeping us in dark. We need someone who could listen to us and understand our point of views.

    The religious people or modest people do stupid acts because they get frustrated when they can not find anyone to listen to them and in their rage they blast bombs or hang innocent people.


  6. Imran (unregistered) on August 22nd, 2007 @ 12:32 am
  7. KAMI (unregistered) on August 22nd, 2007 @ 6:40 am

    Before saying anything on the topic I should congratulate Metroblog ISB & Ghalia for once again promoting debate on an important issue.

    From my experience after an event like this, healing takes time. Initial reactions are extreme (but if the situation is not allowed to blow up) they can be contained and life brought back to normal.

    The positive I see is that the society is debating the issue and not reaching for each others throat. As for me religous belief and the attire that we choose to wear is a very personal matter, neither state nor anyone else should interfere.

    As for the govt providing counselling, it is too far fetched for our country. However, educational students could help by encouraging debates on such topics instead of the usaual boring ones.


  8. thanos (unregistered) on August 22nd, 2007 @ 9:36 am

    Yes, good essay, it’s as bad to be the “reverse hijab police” as it is to be the hijab police…


  9. Mohammad Akram R.. (unregistered) on August 22nd, 2007 @ 11:53 am

    Dajjal has one eye to look world one eye not spiritual eye like satellite cameras and media they are dajjal eye, dajjal heaven his own place like his countries they are look like peaceful places he called them heaven but actually they are traps and take you in hell because these countries law against Islamic rules and who will effected by dajjal like dajjal killed them those Muslims get shahadeth (shaheed) that dajjal called hell but its not hell peoples get shahadet.

    Zulkarnan Allah Salaam said (Allah mention in Quran) Dajjal will appear that time when Iron and Copper will fly on earth surface and Yaggog and Maggog will fight each others, Now this is the time all flying machines dependant on copper and iron with out these elements not possible to fly on earth surface even cannot move.


  10. Mohammad Akram R.. (unregistered) on August 22nd, 2007 @ 11:54 am

    OUT THERE SO MANY HUNGER EYES LOOKING MESSIAH WHO HELP THEM FiRST

    Now Time is too short and new economical system arriving soon from Allah in shortly for all humanity in the world but no one knows the specific time but Allah knows the time and Donation or charity is the key for the peace in the world and fair charity only possible from this way make the box and put it on your door out side home or make a big charity box put it on your main street corners and daily put some money or any thing you better know in your region needy poor peoples they can pickup from that boxes this is the way you can help hungers in the world if every one do like this Allah will accept your charity and also Allah knows who took that charity doesn’t matter you also poor but spare it some for donate to other poor peoples, make your self new environment take care of each others Allah give you more Allah always watching you ..

    This is only one key bring the revelation in the world and this message came to me from Allah and Allah want equally share with your brothers what you have for your life facilities.. like one tree roots not bothers his branches who gave the fruits or not, roots not differentiate and equally distribute the food to all branches same thing branches not differentiate which root is good for his and they distribute his all energy food equally to all roots and its called complete strong tree same thing you all humans need to favor each others with charity and donations.
    Your community charity not reach to needy persons it always filtered by satan so please don’t considers your charity organizations linked with hungers and needy peoples… Please make decisions your self other then no difference between animals and you…

    With this kind of charity or donations your homes will be get special mercy from Allah and Allah protect those houses… Please start today if you live in poor regions in your countries…

    Please translate and populate into your voice… Please make decision today, out there so many hunger eyes looking messiah who help them first…

    When you leave the tomb for pray then real Islam will be in your heart and you will be pure Momin….

    SAVE YOUR HOME: I saw one dream 4 moths ago but I don’t tell my all dream only major point is Pakistan is our home and there is two doors were open by our inside enemies one door in East and second one is in North, some internal violations storm will come and popup the point where come from and Pakistan community will consider the East door use the big and dangerous enemies but real enemies will arrive from North door side when enemies will reach at the door some one close the North door from inside Pakistan and he will save the all community life’s, both doors are this time Indian and Afghan borders India is in East side and Afghan in North side of Pakistan…..An other dream I saw the big storm will come into Pakistan but Karachi will most effected and this storm will come in early morning time after Fajar prayer and no buddy care each others every one asking help but no one listen and all public running with out any destinations….Please pray with pure hearts and leave the tombs for pray just follow Mohammad Rasool Allah S.A.W. PBUH rules and Quran and start the fasting if you are pure Momin other wise storm is close to every one and you will be filter….This is real dajjal time and its going to more worst be careful you don’t know who is right or who is wrong no one is perfect this time, Rasool Allah S.A.W. PBUH already said that in the neer last days of earth that person who sitting will better then standing person and standing person will better then running person this Hadith means no one perfect that time and will looks like they are perfect peoples but they are not they are perfect from each others but they are not Momins they will look like Momins but they are not Momins….Leave the tombs for prayer that is the biggest shirk today facing humanity you called Wali Allah they diverted the peoples from real Islam into new religions they diverted from them into 73 sects and peoples they pray on that tombs that is the biggest shirk today’s, leave those tombs which is you called Wali Allah they were not Wali Allah just follow the Rasool Allah S.A.W. PBUH rules and Quran leave them all dead peoples you called Wali Allah then your hearts will be convert into pure Islam sweetness and get mercy from Allah.

    Don’t say Khoda always say Allah and Allah is great name and always use great names of Allah says in Quran, The name Khoda or God these are man made names Allah always says use pakiza names of Allah.

    Please pray Dowa which is mentioned in Quran related to Anbia qraam those Dowa 100% acceptable by Allah that’s why Allah gave you that knowledge in Quran but when you use your own words in Dowa those Dowa also accepts but you don’t know the exactly what are you requesting and that meaning different for your life so always pray which is Allah use those Dowa in Quran and believe me those Dowa always save you.

    I CAN GIVE YOU THE PROOF IN QURAN “Sura 36 YaSin ” THE FUTURE PROPHET IN ISLAM

    I can give you the proof in Quran “Sura 36 YaSin ” start from Ayat-15 when Allah sent two prophets Moses and Haroon than Issa talk about Jessus and his peoples, than Ayat-21 starts future prophet but he will bring same sharia which is Mohammad Rasool Allah SWA PBUH gave us and He will declare follow all prophecies after Ayat-30 and Ayat-50 fighting and blast same thing in Sura 44 Al-Dukhan Ayat-11, 12 and “Sura 36 YaSin ” is totaly for present christians (Romans) so the last Imam will be for christians and also for Muslims but according to Sura YaSin only one religion kingdom on earth Islam please read Quran carefully there is all life in this great book from start to end of humanity and earth each sentence has long life hidden but its not open to every one some of you read present and some of you consider is a past…

    Follow the Hadith if Hadith matched with Quran then is okay other wise so many termites they changed the Hadithes since written by none Arabic peoples after 250 year and after them after they changed for own things and matter purposes and so many Jewish convert into Islam just for only change the track of Islam Allah already say’s in Quran 4:46 and 2:75 and please leave the tombs for pray when you can leave the tomb for pray your heart will be convert into pure Islam because those who said they are wali Allah actually they are pure termites in that regions to change the Islam into new format…Leave the tombs for prayer that is the biggest shirk today facing humanity you called Wali Allah they diverted the peoples from real Islam into new religions they diverted from them into 73 sects and peoples they pray on that tombs that is the biggest shirk today’s, leave those tombs which is you called Wali Allah they were not Wali Allah just follow the Rasool Allah S.A.W. PBUH rules and Quran leave them all dead peoples you called Wali Allah then your hearts will be convert into pure Islam sweetness and get mercy from Allah.

    MY JOURNEY TOWARDS 7 SKY ‘s MORE THAN FAST SPEED OF LIGHT TRAVEL FROM EARTH I SAW MY EARTH FROM SPACE

    My journey towards 7 sky’s more than fast speed of light travel from earth…do you want to know about 7 skies…I traveled last year towards 7 sky’s not by my force Allah took me there with in a second I saw my earth from out site from space I was moving from my back my head was down like bow down than all stars than empty space a big gap after a new color sky with billion stars billion sun’s same after this sky big gap and one by one I passed 7 sky’s blue color is the first sky all sky’s are different colors and all 7 natural colors we can see in the light on earth, its not possible for human with body to reach there or any other creature but Allah took me there after 7 sky there is big darkness after 7 sky passed my body stop moving now I can move and think first I ask question my self I can breath here in space than I move my head move back to see who ride me here I saw Allah and His Arsh but closely Allah stop my body in darkness there was a distance …

    I saw Allah He is big too big no one can imagine any human Allah has beautiful colors on His face and beautiful light like you can see full moon and I request to my creator I want to go back earth than same journey starts I passed 7 sky one by one with different colors than I saw my earth and it takes all back & forth with in a second, I traveled with out body.

    All you peoples your soul also give the attendance on same place daily basis more than trillions trillions miles distances covers within micro seconds but you don’t know when you sleeping actually your spirit fly towards Allah Arsh and bow down for mercy and pray this is the knowledge I have to deliver you your body parts also praying and spirit but when you in conscious you are under control by satan because you obey his orders that’s why hell is created for satan partners who is in conscious and deny his creator Allah like you born and deny your mom she birth you.

    It was my real journey, I remember all things I saw on travel I saw our creator Allah very clear, one more thing Allah has 2 beautiful eyes I saw face mobark of Allah… I saw several things but here only this message for you Allah can see and Allah has 2 beautiful eyes..

    I am Muslim and obedient servant of my Prophet of Allah Mohammad Rasool Allah PBUH, This was a real journey and Allah wants to let you know He is always watching you every steps Allah analyzing your thinking and that you will think in future Allah can see like you can see Allah can speak and Allah can trick you if you trick humans but not like magic Allah is justice and merciful because Allah create you and all you can see or imagine if you can trick to humans Allah can trick with you but it is in under by his law and justice He created on earth. It was my real journey, I remember all things I saw on travel I saw our creator Allah very clear, one more thing Allah has 2 beautiful eyes I saw face mobark of Allah… Here only this message for you Allah can see and Allah has 2 beautiful eyes..

    I saw one dream in early morning time after our Fajar prayer I was around 2 year boy and there is also an other 2 year boy and his face color is whit but I am Asian color but similar face we were looks like tiwins and we were in same age no clothes on our bodies we both wear the kind of pamper cloths and I heard the hidden sound from Allah saying to me (in my language) this is Issa Allah Sallam (Jesses) in childhood so I am playing with him we get to gather playing with rocks suddenly one dog arrives this dog size is normal dog size and he has brown and whit color spots on body his ears down and not too big this dog looks like Asian dog and suddenly that came to me grip my hand in his mouth but I don’t feel fear then he left my arm and playing with us suddenly some big person I don’t know may be Jesses mother or some one else hold Jesses and put it on dog as a rider but I saw dog not like to hold Issa Allah Sallam body and try to run away but suddenly I heard the sound from Allah obey the order than that dog give the ride to Issa Allah Sallam and I am also with them and move to unknown place. I am 100% sure Issa Allah Sallam had one dog his color was white and light brown spots and ears were down and slim active dog he was protector of Issa Allah Sallam and his mother when they were alone and This dog gave the ride to 2 years old Issa Allah Sallam childhood when they were traveling in desert moving back to Jerusalem.

    Three times I met my Prophet of Allah Mohammad Rasool Allah S.W. PBUH. include one time with Angel Gibrail Allah Sallam in the dream all dreams I saw in after Fajar prayrs and in Friday mornings.

    Fasting every day after day and continues and 5 prayers Allah help you, every human will can see soon these 7 sky’s even when we die we can see but no one come back to tell you this knowledge Allah give me this knowledge to populate in humanity and its your rights to know before big attendance please read Quran all universes knowledge in this great book

    When you sleep your soul will flee towards Allah for Allah mercy and you don’t know because your soul journey is unconscious and travel time just micro second or may be no one can calculate trillions trillions miles distance cover and from close to Allah Arsh on top all these sky’s looks like one tiny flash spot than disappear so you can imagine how far your soul travel daily basis from earth to towards Allah Arsh for bow down and prayer for Allah mercy.

    This journey was in last 10 days of Ramzan in 2006 (don’t remember exact date) after Fajar prayer and Allah wants to let you know He is always watching you every steps Allah analyzing your thinking and that you will think in future Allah can see like you can see Allah can speak and Allah can trick you if you trick humans but not like magic Allah is justice and merciful because Allah create you and all you can see or imagine if you can trick to humans Allah can trick with you but it is in under by his law and justice He created on earth.
    The first sky color from earth is Blue, earth is inside Blue sky as a proof you can see reflections of this blue color on earth water and all other skies are different colors and all 7 natural colors we can see in the light on earth.

    Allah put intelligence and ego into humans and animals has only ego same as angels has only intelligence if human only use his intelligence and over ride on egoism than that human is great creature in whole universe and batter than angles because his work hard spiritually and physically to over ride intelligence on egoism and egoism is a satan home if human follow his egoism than there is no difference between animals and human they are same creatures and that kind of peoples judgment day they will be move from faces like animals move from faces than other body parts follow his face.

    Allah make this universe with Haq and Haq means 100% pure true and pure truth means your all 5 senses can prove the evidence with true but the 6th sense has to be force to your other senses to confirm and allow to accept truth because this 6th sense is independent and student of other senses so in the world there is no magic to prove, in Quran Allah says several times Allah created this universe with Haq.

    When you see any animal doing some bad thing and you can feel sadness and you will considers because that animal doesn’t have intelligence that’s why he don’t know same thing when human just follow his ego Angels feel sad and they considers these humans are going to wrong way they are not using his intelligence and intelligence always proofing there is only one creator Allah and Allah is merciful for humans and Allah gave the key how to use intelligence that key is Quran and Allah great prophet Mohammad Rasool Allah and his whole life and there is no other way to fight ego…


  11. JayJay (unregistered) on August 22nd, 2007 @ 4:35 pm

    National Geographic has captured the growing gulf between normal,peace-loving, Pakistanis and fanstics well in their September issue. Try the below link for details:

    http://tinyurl.com/2fmm3m


  12. JayJay (unregistered) on August 22nd, 2007 @ 4:47 pm

    Another enlightening article on the struggle between the puritanical fascists and reformists.

    http://tinyurl.com/yv3l3r


  13. Aamir Ali (unregistered) on August 22nd, 2007 @ 7:49 pm

    People in Pakistan who regard Lal Masjid as a “drama” deserve to be treated with contempt.


  14. jayjay (unregistered) on August 23rd, 2007 @ 9:42 am

    The Lal Masjid episode was a reality show, not drama:)


  15. IUnknown (unregistered) on August 23rd, 2007 @ 12:55 pm

    ah!! lal masjid
    will it be there again?


  16. Imran (unregistered) on August 23rd, 2007 @ 2:10 pm
  17. Ghalia Aymen (unregistered) on August 23rd, 2007 @ 6:07 pm

    ..


  18. gulzar (unregistered) on August 24th, 2007 @ 12:06 pm

    very interesting comments. Lal Masjid students are disseminating stories which are based on innocence, blind faith and brain washing. If one listens to female students they will tell tales which no sane mind can digest.Fragrance from graves, visions prophetic dreams and stories as Lal masjid was a mini jannat in Islamabad. It was a big misfortune that we lost so many innocent people but the tragedy is that all the girls and boys want to open madrasas like Lal masjid in the entire country.


  19. IUnknown (unregistered) on August 24th, 2007 @ 12:54 pm

    gulzaar, being a muslim, u shud know that martyr never dies . does he???

    Tales told me students of lal masjid are as true as sun rise from east.


  20. gulzar (unregistered) on August 24th, 2007 @ 11:53 pm

    I think Lal masjid is a very sensitive issue and some people are very emotional about it. When emotions settle down and reason prevails and the facts are known most of us will have to change our views. I only pray that Allah keeps us on right and straight path.


  21. IUnknown (unregistered) on August 27th, 2007 @ 12:09 pm

    lal masjid website is back. InshALLAH seculars and idiots gonna bear wat they have done uptill now.

    http://www.lalmasjid.com/nsite/index.php


  22. noor shaw (unregistered) on August 30th, 2007 @ 10:51 pm

    “gulzaar, being a muslim, u shud know that martyr never dies . does he???
    As posted by Ghalia Aymen “gulzaar, being a muslim, u shud know that martyr never dies . does he???”

    You have to realize that the people who died in Lal Masjad were not martyrs.
    They were twisted-faith and power-hungry mullahs who were dreaming of capturing Islamabad.
    That is the only reason they stockpiled a masjad with weapons. Otherwise, masjad a place of worship, not a weapon-depot.
    You need to open you eyes.


  23. IUnknown (unregistered) on August 31st, 2007 @ 2:19 pm

    @noorshaw: do u think u r speaking the truth?
    if they are not martyrs , why their blood and their graves are smelling like more than any better cologne or perfume in this world??

    Why there is a smile on their face??

    If they were creul mullah, their face would have been turned to some wat like musharraf or bush or javed ashraf qazi. ( i.e. rotten face)


  24. noor shaw (unregistered) on August 31st, 2007 @ 6:18 pm

    A peson faith is proved by his action not by his face. The masjad is place of worship. These mullahs made lal-masjad a weapon factory, and killed many inoccent people.
    As far the gave smell is concerend, a metro-millan incence stick (agarbati) in a hindu temple, smells stronger than in a muslim garveyard. Does it means anything? No!
    As far the Musharaff, and Qazi and other politicians in Pakistan are concened, they are also power-hungry. The Taliban are the same bread of power-hungry mullah, who have nothing to do with Islam either.
    What have mullahs done for the nation with the exception of Haram suicide mission.

    Islam can be judged only by a person’s action not by their faces.


  25. Ghalia Aymen (unregistered) on August 31st, 2007 @ 8:26 pm

    i tottaly agree with NOOR:), if mullahs wanted to bring shariya in country they should have talked to the government to impose it but not to take law in their own hands and become the guards of islam, God did not give them that right.

    otherwise i wnated to impose shariya according to what my perception of islam… so it means we should all follow our own religion under certain limits
    and we can only advice others to follow what we think is right but cannoit force them to do so and that is what mullah wants.


  26. Mohammad Akram R (unregistered) on September 1st, 2007 @ 11:28 am

    ************

    Oooops

    ************


  27. IUnknown (unregistered) on September 1st, 2007 @ 12:44 pm

    @noorshaw:

    I think ur an atheist, instead of a muslim.

    U can recognize Pious ppl by their face, than any thing else, at first glance.

    Regarding Ager Batti, u need to read the books more than any thing.

    As far as killing is concerned, musharraf has doen more than that in wana and waziristan.

    no body of u ever spoke a single word on that.
    Were those children , who were performing ablution for thajjud , did suicidal bombing ne where???
    Is there any single prroof that there are terrorist in wana and wazirstan?

    Can u point me to a single incident where its found that mullah did suicidal bombing??

    Its all those wealth hungry ppl , who use others to kill others and throw blame on some 3rd party.

    Wat Mr.Secular and other bay deen persons has given us, killing and najaiz taxes??
    They have looted the country.

    U never has said a single word abt them

    When it comes to mullah, u all open u dirty mouth
    and start spearding sh***.


  28. ALI (unregistered) on September 1st, 2007 @ 6:28 pm

    ….


  29. ali (unregistered) on September 2nd, 2007 @ 3:12 am

    noone should blaim noone because all we know is what media tells us(and thts somewhat true) and the stories spreaded from person to person .no one has seen it alot of the things were kept secret by the government .they never show the actuall death count ever.. and sure there are things hidden which no one can think of…dr masood wrote an article abt a girl he met that brings sympathy even in the most cruel people heart, this issue so complicated. both sides had the choice of avoiding the killings but noone turned down. i think mr. musharaf should have showed some mercy cuz he wasnt actually fightin mr abdur rasheed but it was rasheed who was fighting. well i go for rasheed as he stood fast on the things he said he wanted to happen. but again noone has the rite to take the law in his hand actually enforcing his own law.. kidnaping policemen and chines tht shouldn’t… islam never preaches to force someone to accept islam even islamic teachings Y mr rasheed a religious scholar did it. its so complicated its so hideous
    No one among them is good no one deserves our tht much attention tht there thoughts become part of our belief…let go …but death of kids and girls raises our eye brows and we think who is responsible..as i said its complicated no one knows the truth …


  30. gulzar (unregistered) on September 2nd, 2007 @ 10:40 am

    Lal Masjid is a very sad and dark episode in our national history. It is very sad that we lost so many young boys and girls imbued with religious fanaticism. We must analyze things dispassionately. We are all muslims and our objective is to seek Allah’s pleasure here and in the world hereafter. We must say good things for others and should not antagonize for no cause. Difference of opinon shopuld be based on facts and not fantacies. I would request all young and old to be very cool and objective while discussing religious matters. Let us seek and pursue knowledge and if we have knowledge disseminate in most humble and decent manner.


  31. IUnknown (unregistered) on September 2nd, 2007 @ 1:26 pm

    @ali, i think its useless to talk wid u


  32. Ghalia Aymen (unregistered) on September 3rd, 2007 @ 8:30 pm

    hello people! a reminder: the topic is quite different than what we all are commenting about… just forget who did what and why. now what wqe ahve to do is not to discriminate the people who have different opinions about islam and life….
    just try to keep the balance and act as a better human being and do no humiliate others for their cast, race and religion and perception about life… it is a free country and every one has a right to live free.


  33. noor shaw (unregistered) on September 4th, 2007 @ 7:00 am

    POSTED BY MOHAMMAD AKRAM “I think ur an atheist, instead of a muslim. U can recognize Pious ppl by their face, than any thing else, at first glance.”

    If the face is the only factor than most Jews have the long beard and head-caps. Does this standard make them more Pious than Muslims? NO! A person action rather than his/her look is very important.
    Can you show me any Sahabi of Prophet having stock piled knives, spears or other things in a mosque?
    If Musharraf is out of his mind, should we make the masjad a weapon dump?
    When it comes to taking away (stealing) a public land for masjad, mullah does not see any haram or hallal. But they would love to enforce haram to others.


  34. IUnknown (unregistered) on September 4th, 2007 @ 12:26 pm

    @noor, mullah sees haram and halaal better than any other person.

    weapon dump??? have u gone nuts???? did govt find ne sort of weapons there?

    u have either misunderstood my statement abt the face / appearance or u dont want to understand wat i want to say.

    The ppl like u wont stay longer now.
    ppl have been fed up from u ppl who are secular and unmodest.


  35. noor shaw (unregistered) on September 4th, 2007 @ 6:19 pm

    your comment “weapon dump??? have u gone nuts???? did govt find ne sort of weapons there?”
    I bet you were sleeping when the Lal Masjad mullahs were fighting with army. You think they fought with bear-hands?
    What happened in Rawalpindi today? Is it not Haram to murder any innocent person who works for Atomic Energy?
    your comment “The ppl like u wont stay longer now.” I believe it may be a time for another Kamal Atta-Truk of Turkey to clean Pakistan too.

    One thing you want to make a note when I say Mullah. There is great diffference between Ulma, Alim and Mullah.
    An Alim and Ulma are well respected scholars who are serving Islam and Pakistan. The mullahs however is a Lota-Style people who are fighting for power and money only. Lal masjad breed was mullah-ism dreaming to capture Islamabd. These mullah deserve people like Kamal Atta-Truk.


  36. Ali (unregistered) on September 4th, 2007 @ 7:12 pm

    YUp i agree with Ghalia on that, we are way to far from the real discussion.


  37. IUnknown (unregistered) on September 4th, 2007 @ 8:24 pm

    so who says they were suicidal bombings in pindi today??

    DO u know when the ppl in lal mssjid were fighting, they just had normal gun not mortars etc etc./
    Us say ziada tu mqm kay paas hhain
    Ata turk was as sick as musharraf or vice versa. Us ki qabar per bhe loag tourism per jatey hon shayed.

    Can u please tell me the names of ulma and mullahs of today?


  38. noor shaw (unregistered) on September 5th, 2007 @ 3:04 am

    You asked “Can u please tell me the names of ulma and mullahs of today?”

    Easy,
    The Alim is educated, can understand and translate entire Quran. He can explain Quranic Tafseer. Alim also can undersatnd scientific issues and perhaps can teach science, math and other subjects.

    Mullah, on the other hand, has memorized a few sorah from Quran. He runs his mosque and madrassa for getting rich scheme. He is the one with Fatwa for everone else. But he does not looks into his own evils wishes.

    You may remember the Hadith “Learn even if you have to go to China.”

    If you want to know the ideal Muslim, compare these Mullah with Satar Edhi and tell me who is better. Edhi has done such a great job that no mullah has not done so far. Look at the work of Alama Iqbal and other poets and you will see the difference.


  39. IUnknown (unregistered) on September 5th, 2007 @ 12:36 pm

    @noorshaw, how old r u?



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