Why the Violence needs to stop…

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These are the images we do not want to see in our cities.. Another suicide bomb attack on our military in R.A. Bazaar area this morning. The mindless violence needs to stop – and that means the Army campaign needs to stop as well.
When the govt talks of extending the “writ” to all areas of Pakistan they need to realise that the “writ” is only going to be obeyed by every Pakistani if the Govt carries out its duties to provide Justice, basic needs and prosperity to all its citizens, only then can they have the excuse of using armed force – for too long those who are taking up arms against the govt have been neglected of those basic rights. Right now the only Government service the people of NWFP and tribal belt are seeing is shells, cobra gunships and Predator drones. No government can hope to quell an armed resistance if they dont extend the Justice and basic needs to all its people. If this cycle of violence carries on then we are going to kiss goodbye to NWPF and probably Balochistan as well – we cant afford for that to happen.

12 Comments so far

  1. JayJay (unregistered) on February 4th, 2008 @ 1:37 pm

    Majad – I am afraid I will have to disagree with you in relation to the reasons for the terrorist violence you have cited. Terrorist are not blowing themselves up for the sake of "Justice, basic needs and prosperity". Their aim is the enforcement of their depraved ideology. You might have noted that the terrorist are also targeting video stores and girl schools – surely they would not be doing so for the sake of justice and prosperity. Their agenda is much larger. You may or may not agree but the suicide-bombings are meant to turn whole of Pakistan into Talibanistan. The terrorists know well that Pakistan military is the biggest hurdle in their designs. It will be extremely na├»ve to believe that the Talibanization drive would simple halt if the army decides to hand over Waziristan on a platter to the religious nuts. On the contrary, recent history shows that any surrender to the militants would only go on to encourage them. Terrorists only understand the language of force, nothing else.

    And if the cure of an injured body lies in amputating a limb, so be it.


  2. wk (unregistered) on February 4th, 2008 @ 9:42 pm

    @ Majad,
    we are disagree with you 100 %,
    " WE STAND STRONG " !


  3. shaibee (unregistered) on February 5th, 2008 @ 1:28 pm

    @ JayJay

    We should learn not to apply such proverbs at every situation that comes across. We should be able to distinguish between applicable and not applicable.

    As of "if the cure of an injured body lies in amputating a limb, so be it.", what if the limb is your heart (in its literal meanings and no emotional meaning)? What if its the brain? What would you suggest in that case? Such a cure of an injured body would for sure make it dead. There are some cures which are not applied in such scenarios, particularly when we know some good, although tough, alternatives are available.

    and @ Majad
    Yes this wave of violence need to stop, but again the solution is not to kiss goodbye to any province or city for that matter. Most of us know this has quite least, or may be nothing, to do with NWFP or Balochistan. They are beautiful people, caring and loving. These are foreign elements, exploiting the situation, creating such opinions, creating confusion, manipulating media, in order reach their ambitions. We need to STAND STRONG, and as WK said "WE STAND STRONG". And I sincerely pray to the Mighty Lord, that let there be no such day in my country that such proverbs get a chance to materialize. Coz Pakistan will be no more that day, God Forbid.

    Long Live Pakistan !!!


  4. JayJay (unregistered) on February 5th, 2008 @ 3:10 pm

    Shaibee – If Waziristan is heart or brain of Pakistan, the country perhaps does not need to live.

    Passing on all the blames to others, the foreigners, is a convient way of shirking responsibilities. Terrorists can’t be foreigner, when we have hatcheries working day and night producing zombies.

    Praying and idealism don’t work, actions do. And the strating point for any action is to look within to find faults and rectify them; not to play perpetual victimhood by blaming outsiders.


  5. shaibee (unregistered) on February 5th, 2008 @ 6:12 pm

    @JayJay

    I am not amazed to see your point of view for Waziristan, because its not just you, its a good majority of us, who consider people outside 250 mile radius of their home as aliens. And it is exactly this mindset that is root of all the evil. Be it Waziristan, or Swat, or Islamabad, its all heart of Pakistan. And with all this, the country had been living, is living, and will continue to live, downing all such suggestion put up by people like you.

    And as of foreign elements, can you please name the hatcheries that manufacture night-vision goggles, just to name, that you saw every Talib of Lal Masjid wearing? Those were PROVIDED.

    Can you justify the budgeting of such high-profile battles with Army? Please dont tell me that these Talibans are some industrialists and are making money from their factories. Money is PROVIDED.

    Initially it was them, the people who were targeted by Army, being killed for no reason. It was there reaction. But now its somebody else using the plot already set.

    Aren’t you amazed by a sudden attack around Adam Khel area? I mean for no reason as such?

    As of prayers and actions, that is a lengthy and different debate; lets not go there for now.


  6. Majad (unregistered) on February 5th, 2008 @ 10:07 pm

    I dont mean to be misunderstood, I do NOT condone this tit-for-tat killing of innocent Muslim Pakistanis everyone is valuable, and no i do not advocate any further "amputations" as Jayajay so easily cuts away with his carving knife.
    Why do we have such short memories. Just a point to ponder over Jayjay, but is it just possible that the surviving brother of a sister/brother killed in Lal masjid might be responsible for the picture above? could it be that someone in Mingora whose house has just been demolished by a 50lb bomb (israeli style) now thinks of committing himself to carry out the same destruction in your favorite city? Is it possible that the 14 Indian "information" centres (aka terrorist training and finance centres) which have sprung up along the Afghan eastern border, be providing the Money and weapons to make a bad situation worse ?

    There other possibilities than the narrow-minded knee-jerk neo-conservative agenda of crying "taliban" when in fact this problem is multi-faceted. Incidentally, nearly all the Taliban (except Mesud faction) have stated they will not fight the Pakistan army for unity sake.


  7. JayJay (unregistered) on February 6th, 2008 @ 2:02 pm

    Perhaps 16 Dec 1971 is date that does not figure prominently in the calendars of idealists. A truncated Pakistan survived then, and another truncation in present circumstances won’t do any harm. Otherwise, happy living with the constant fear of death at public places.

    Night vision goggles, ah. Did anyone see where were they made in? Any conspiracy theory to link the goggles with any country? What about the Kalshnikovs, the rocket launders, the grenade propellers, where were they made in? I think light arms of all kinds are freely available in the land of the beautiful. Anyway, a suicide bomber only needs a body-belt laden (pun intended) with gun-powder and nails, and a simple trigger to take him to the world of 72 virgins, along with the lives of many innocents.

    Oh, and I will be obliged if anyone can trace any "foreign hand" in the recent disappearance of many manhole lids from some parts of Islamabad. Some might have seen a Japanese-made pick-up doing a round the nigh before. Never expected Tokyo to be interested in undermining the Islamic Republic.

    Everyone in the world seems to have ganged up against us.


  8. KAMI (unregistered) on February 6th, 2008 @ 11:52 pm

    I agree with MAJAD that this Taliban problem is multifaceted, the most prominent being our perpetual state of denial, enduring love of conspiracy theories and the tendency to lay all our troubles on somebody else’s shoulders. To imply that Taliban are some sort of neo-con creation is another step to spread doubt when the truth is so abundantly clear. Let me remind you that before Taliban, Pakistan’s sphere of influence in Afghanistan revolved around Hekmatyar and his JI allies courtesy Hamid Gul’s ISI. When PPP came to power and the then ISI openly worked to bring it down courtesy 10 million dollars provided by Osama, it was clear to BB that she would have to take another route viz a viz Afghanistan. General Naseerullah Babar came to the rescue by creating Taliban using the JUI influence in the Refugee camps, they managed to by pass the traditional war lords and our own ISI establishment. After the un-expected success of this plan, the stage was indeed set for the famous Pipe Line project, through the lands secured by Taliban. However the Americans were slow to react, and the movement was hijacked by Osama and his Dollars. Shortly, afterwards while Clinton passed up many opportunities to get the Evil in Chief, citing children on Satellite photos, Al-Qaeda managed to pull of 9/11 and the rest is history.

    After 9/11, the neo-cons had a field day and they were able to sell their crazy ideas to Bush, but the joy ride is over for them now as the most hardened republicans are keeping their distance, and the ordinary American now has a much better grasp of the reality. However, the same cannot be true for Pakistan, where there is a tendency to blame everything on foreign hand, Govt and America. Yes there are many ways to deal with a problem, both stick and carrot, but all that depends on the recognition of the fact that the problem exists and its our own creation.


  9. Riaz (unregistered) on February 7th, 2008 @ 5:04 am

    nice discussion going on here.
    @JAYJAY.
    do u think u will b safe in ur home when this hand or leg is amputated? Frontier is not bengal.bengalis had machetes and bamboo sticks.here u have all the weapons of a modern army and trained ppl. dont u think these ppl will simply cross into ur beautiful city across the Indus river ? who will save u then? Pak army? will army be able to stop infiltrators from across the NEW border u will have? if it cant fight them in waziristan, it doesnt stand a chance in other parts of the country too.
    in 1971 u had the advantage of being far away from bengal.pak army knew bengalis cant strike back at ‘mainland’ in retaliation.but not in this case.if the army does what it did in bengal and then withdraws from frontier and makes it a separate state. the people from frontier will hit back u with a vegeance. ur "mainland this time around wont be too far away.


  10. KAMI (unregistered) on February 7th, 2008 @ 6:18 am

    RIAZ there is no absolitely no parallel between what happened in Bengal and what is happenning now.Bengali’s had a cause, a genuine grievience and they were not suicidal mad, but these folks are not. They will eventually be kicked out by their own people just like in Swat. Remember no body was botherring them,infact the govt was even coverring for them, but no more. They themselve have choosen to go on attack and caused untold misery to the innocent fellow blievers. If they want us to lick their feet, sorry that wont happen and they will have to dish out the evil that is hiding among them, and that will happen, its just the beginning.


  11. Riaz (unregistered) on February 7th, 2008 @ 12:08 pm

    agreed Kami.
    but ppl like JAYJAY are saying something else. they want to cut the leg/arm.they are implying that its the ppl of frontier/balochistan who r blowing themselves en mass in ur beautiful cities.my response was to his this line of thinking.


  12. KAMI (unregistered) on February 7th, 2008 @ 9:31 pm

    I got your point Riaz, may be JAYJAY wrote in anger and sorry for a very incoherent last post, it was written in haste.



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