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That’s it for me, time to grab the first flight out of this country. I cant imagine the current rulers running amok with this country.
congratulations,at the end of the day humiliation is the destiny of all dictators
How do you define humiliation and how does it fit in here?
I wholeheartedly supported Musharraf, but seeing this 450 point boost in the KSE made me think that its not all that bad that he resigned. Though I do hope his resignation gives the new rulers an excuse to make the positive changes they have consistently claimed about, during Musharraf rule. I wouldn’t be surprised if the politicians took his resignation very seriously, as they now have to show the world they are better than Musharraf at running a country. More Power to them!!!
I guess yeah in the end its all about whats better for the country. If the current government can actually do something to get Pakistan out of its current situation then i have no bone to pick with them but until now that looks like a distant dream.
News from the inside is that the grants that HEC was getting have been reduced to pennies and scientific research has practically halted because the current government doesn’t give a sh*t (pardon my language but its just too frustrating)
Woah!! I logged into this blog after a couple of months.. I see many changes.. Previously, I stopped reading this blog cause it was all ANTI-MUSHARRAF..
Wow.. Its nice to see that people have finally started to acknowledge Musharraf’s ability to rule this country. Sorry to say, unless God himself implements 58-2(b) in this country, we are heading for a serious downfall!! :(
At this point, I am actually feeling insecure about the future of me and my family in this country. Alot of drama is about unveil in this country.. And the worst thing that I am dreading is the US invasion of Northern Areas and eventually the whole country. :(
We are gonna be next Iraq. (God Forbid)
in next 21 days BOTH NS & AZ will be lock-horn., for the nominee of President.
Judges can kiss the ASSES of BOTH, and sleep well, NO ONE CAN NO ONE HAVE BALLS to Restore ANY of the deposed Judges.
US$ will be PKR.80.00 by end of August 2008.
GOD BLESS PAKISTAN
hahaha!!! he was badly trapped by politicians.
He has went with deep shit on his face and that he could only do else might be sentenced to death.
Now he shud say " sub say pehlay Qabrustaaan"
@faranarfi.. all such attacks are presents of Musharraf. He has sold the country. I know these AZ and NS are not good as well but he has caused the most harm to the country than these 2. We need some one better than all of current politicians..
@ Above: Remember what they did to Saddam when he opposed the US invasion? Atleast we should appreciate Mush for handling USA so well, had he not agreed to US terms we would have been like Iraq or Afghanistan, 7 years ago!!
I think we should realise that America is a super power. And with America, you are either with them or against them. And you surely dont want to go against them!!
"We need some one better than all of current politicians.."
I whole heartedly agree to this point, and the reason why I was pro-Mush was because he was atleast better than all the illiterate thieves, robbers and murderers that are ruining our country right now. Within the past 7 month of power, what single thing have they done FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE PEOPLE? All they care about is restoring the judiciary and very efficiently ignoring all the demands and needs of the masses!!
We do need better leaders than we have at hand for now. But any leader is better than a military dictator. I am truly happy that Musharraf finally resigned. May our country be rid of such military dictators in future. They have destroyed the country to such an extent that it sometimes seems like an irreversible loss. May Allah give us strength to rise from the remains of what military dictatorship has left us in. Ameen.
-Monazza.
Shukr alhamdulillah! FINALLY!
I agree with Monazza, enough with miltary dictators. of course the new govt. aren’t exactly mr perfects, no-one is that stupid to believe that. politicians are corrupt world-over it’s part of their job criteria. let’s not be naive.
let’s hope things change for the best, else it would be out of the frying pan into the fire, and things couldn’t get any worse as they are already.
tsk tsk. Another dictator who did not learn from past but how could one expect them to learn from past? Fojis are brainless dumb ass freaks. You can expect them such stupidity again and again so whether it’s yahya,ayub,Zia,Musharraf or Saddam, they all belong to same lot of ignorants.
Now Musharraf supporters(read Musharraf Remnants) should hide in bin for a while.
i feel sadened by all the negative sentiments that Musharraf has attracted.. people should remember that it was only under him that the country has progressed so much. all that he has done for the country would be undone by the goons who are heading the state now! musharraf didnt desire to head the state. he saw the mess and realized that it was upto him to correct it. i salute to him and am greatful to god for having him sort the mess that we were headed into. all the ill’literate’ asses who just love to dis him, just think back to the years of BB and NS – and of our ‘beloved’ co-chairman of PPP; the famous MR. 10%
think again for your own good who you would want to head the state!
@faranrafi: u have said that he handled USA so well. HJe just bowed infront of USA lkike a dog . Due his steps, we are having bad sitaution in balochistan and sarhad.
He shud have fought like a man against USA. We are not iraq nor afhgnistan. WE have the worlds one of the best force.
IF u have to bow out in every situation, wats the use of having such a large army?
He was a coward and all his supporters are coward as well. I wonder wat he did in 1965 an 1971 wars? just stayed in fox holes ? lol
looto looto mushi gaya, now ppp led by Dakoo aka Zardari can make lots of money out of Pakistan. I bet this coalition wont survive even for few days.
Importance of Musharaf can be felt when one is outside Pakistan, where his government had sent hundreds of scholars on Masters and PhD. Just to give an idea how much his government spent on this good cause, 1 year fee for studying Masters/Phd in UK is around 12K pounds, and that the scholarships are granted for 4 years. This makes it 12K * 4 = 48K pounds. Further more, government is paying 700 pounds living expense each month making it 4 * (12*700) = 33600 pounds. A total of roughly around 82K is spent on each person by the government. Not to forget, this scheme was started by Mushi.
People here know Musharaf more then any other leader. Even they know him much better then any Indian leader. Shame on you idiot politicians who woke up against him. Shame on you metblog for being so anti-Musharaf. The man who gave so much freedom of speech that we couldn’t hold onto it.
Now enjoy few more years under so called "democracy" until a new and most possibly a harsh dictator heads the state again under his marshal law, which wasnt the case at the time of mushi.
Long Live Pakistan
I am really sad for his resignation. I wanted him to stay for some more time. The people here abusing Musharaf will see in an year or two what they were supporting. Now our president will be the person who was known as Mr.10% . I dont know why our people dont learn the lesson. He got all the votes in sympathy of BB. She was a great leader. The political stage faced a sudden change after her death. Khair………..
US army is still deployed in FATA area ( with the concent of PM) cant anyone see that? Before that Pakistani army was doing all action in Musharaf’s era. Petrol prices are way up touching the sky… Doller is at 77 Rs. Cant anyone see that? If you cant see that , God be with you.
I can forsee the changes. Pakistan ka Allah Hafiz ho ( As Mush said)
Opposing Musharraf doesn’t mean favoring Zardari et all. Try to make sense.
cant anyone see that? Before that Pakistani army was doing all action in Musharaf’s era
yeah was doing well. Killing Pastuns and leaving own Jawans to get killed by Pashtuns. For you fighting between two provinces is a Good sign. tsk tsk
Do you all know that Zardary 10 % is looking fwd his son blawal to take the country in his hand in future…
Lets see what our parliment will decide,
" Seb say pehlay Pakistan " Whose Nara is this ??
RELAX People …..
Do you remember Mr. Yousef Raza Galany’s English while he was there in the USA, ….. ???
hhhmm how one can defend his country if he cant explain what he means ……
: /
I agree you are not favouring zardari , but after all this who will be in position? Who will get benifit? huh!!
We will suffer…. I know :(
Fighting with own jawan is even better then to get the american Troops involved. If it is a war between provinces why not Government stops it now. They are in Power and there is no Musharaf now. Lets see in a day or two. Sab lar rahey hoon gey. Mark my words :)
I dont see it like this WKHANG.
Chainese dont even understand a word of english but they are good leader. I think intention matters :)
Finally commando put down his weapons and surrenders , his courtiers like Nasim Ashraf have also realized that its time to abandon ship , Dr Ashraf have resigned and might run away to USA in next few days.
Next one to resign most probably would be Malik Qayum imbecile atorney genral of Pakistan, unless he bows in front of Zardari & Co and asks for forgiveness.
In Sindh MQM’s Ishrat Ibad,the governor who was facing 22 murder cases and was elevated to the post of governor by the dictator would also be winding things up,we would have to wait to see if he resigns himself or would wait for the new president to be sworn in,most of the MQM leaders like Ghauri have already shifted their families to USA/UK or are in process of doing so.Ishrat Ibad might again get himself enrolled in UK’s Income Support Programme in which he was drawing 1500+ pounds each month coz "he did not have a job",this time though he is a billionaire but after all who can refuse free money..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4091916.stm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1491859/This-man-is-the-governor-of-a-province-in-Pakistan.-He-lives-in-a-huge-mansion-surrounded-by-servants.-So-why-were-we-paying-him-andpound1,000-a-month-in-benefits.html
I am not sure what will happen to that Mushrraf’s mouth piece Rahid Qureshi who like Saddam’s Iraqi information minister was asserting even today that Musharraf has no plan to resign,would Mush take him with him to Turkey,Timbuktu or wherever he’ll be fleeing or would he be left behind to rot in jail?..
Who else would run away in coming days?
oops i forgot all elusive Tariq Aziz,he fled to London last night as well.
even during his speech Zardari was on his mind
"Parliment mein ‘Horse training’ oops horse trading ka khatra tha.."
horse training in parliament? maybe he was talking about Zardari’s marmalade and pie eating horses
This indeed a victory for Chor, Kanjar and Moulvi Alliance, but will this alliance last? obviously not, however, they will rape Pakistan in their own way and the ungrateful people will get what they deserve.
I couldn’t agree more with Adnan Siddiqi that opposing Musharraf does NOT mean favoring Zardari. We all know what kind of a person he is and we all are terrified at even the thought of him becoming the President (or even Prime Minister) of our country, God forbid.
Many people are saying that now the politicians will start on a loot spree and steal all assets of Pakistan. They forget what the Army has been doing during the reign of Musharraf. Right now i would just like to quote the example of how they took over the ‘land’.
Any piece of land they see, they start a "housing scheme" there, with subsidy provided to people serving in and retired from Army. The Generals have disgraced us by getting the title of ‘property dealers’ from people belonging to other parts of the world.
I used to be really proud of the Army. Always used to be so enthusiastic about the days like 23 March and 6 September. Used to feel a warmth and love for the forces. But due to the doings of dictators (especially the latest one) i just say "@#$%^&^%$##" whenever i see an army man or hear a reference.
Many close relatives of mine are or were in the army. And while i do not consider them to be ‘bad’ (call me a hypocrite if you must), i do sometimes wish if they could have joined some other profession.
In the end i have to say that no profession is bad. It’s the people who bear these tags. And it is very unfortunate that one of the most prestigious institution of our country has been disgraced so much by the action of a handful led by our dear EX-President, Musharraf.
-Monazza.
We all forgot – he was GIVEN a guard of honor at his exit.,
Both NS & AZ had NO BRAINS or BALLs to Decline or STOP that, why?
Because they both do not belong to Parliament. They are only Puppet masters one is Senator, other one is Bhagora who left country to save his ass from the courts.
The task they BOTH shall focus upon is … the Bloody agenda of NS to RESTORE Judges. Over which SHORTLY dent will appear and EVERYONE WILL Start looking at ARMY again to intervene.
US forces are stationed 1.5 KM away from the Northern borders of Pakistan, India is already at alert 2 in Kashmir,.
Balochistan is already UNITED against the Centre., let us see who KEEP THIS NATION UNITED & Geographical Integrity INTACT,
The "DEMOCRATIC" government or The AFWAJ AY PAKISTAN.
I don’t think kah itna senti honay ki zaroorat hai….
@kaami.. bayghairat ! ab mut bol warna taliban tujhay mar daingay..
Teray baap chala gia hay ab. Teri tarah kay baghairat loagon ka bhe yehji haal hoga jo teray baap ka hua hay…
Now, is the time for revolution. Killing all politicians and bring islamic rule. Here we go!!!
I was dismayed when i heard about it. It was indeed unfortunate that Musharraf was given a ‘guard of honour’. It was even more depressing to see that the elected government did nothing about it.
And yes we do not have the most perfect of leaders and politicians in our country, but i still vote for ‘Democracy’. Thumbs down always to ‘dictatorship’.
-Monazza.
by the way mush ko kal chaye tha kah announce karta kah main apni book ki royalties se aik uni banaon ga jis main us mulk kah "gareeb Bachay" free parheen gay… aun jin logoon ko main nai phd karne bahir bheja hai woh wahan parhayeen gay…. magar aesa kyun kahta woh?….dulat aese baante kah leye tou nahin hoti!!!!
Hey few, lets show the world that you an discuss an issue with sentiments in a mannered way and language.
@ Emran,
They are Chinese they can speak it easily, : ), they do not required to talk in English or any other language but we do.
Peace
@ ALL,
LETS STOP SPREADING GARBAGE & GROW FLOWERS, Stop throwing trash on each over the party is over now its time to clean up/fix things.
: )
he was given guaard of owner because Army already got defamed alot by him and wanted to send a positive message outside of Pakistan that Pakistani Army is "still" a decent institution. Reason nawaz was not given such honor because he was not part of Army which is the strongest institution of Pakistan.
IUNKNOWN
While you spew out such filth, I just came back from canoeing / camping expedition from Rockwood Ontario, so I am doing feeling good.
In March I was in Pakistan trying to salvage a deal which would have brought millions of dollars to the country in the IT sector. At that time I was told to wait and see and now two months down the road the deal is cancelled. The nation has lost more than anyone comprehends. 2004-2007 were the golden years for business in Pakistan, and now we are seeing a return to dark ages. Nawaz Sharif has to oblige Jamaat and PPP has no substance. It has more than its share of loud mouthed fools. Ofcourse, the northern fanatics are in a good position but they will be the victims of their success, because if Pakistani’s wont deal with them then it would be upto US, China and the rest of the world to teach them a lesson.
This nation has proven to be a nation of impatient fools, it has to suffer the consequences. Remember the first Bhutto? How he nationalized and brutalized our economy and education, then Zia-ul-Haque how we made a mard-e-momin out of a hypocrat. And now Nawaz & Zardari, how we have embraced such blatant looters of banks and treasury. If this is our national character then we deserve no better.
All Pakistan needed after paying its debts to IMF and World Bank in 2004, was sustained growth over 6% for the next 10 years, and to ensure that we just needed stability and continuity instead we invited chaos……
A CEO of a company was resigning. The incoming CEO asked the outgoing CEO, how he had handled the crises during his time. The outgoing CEO gave the new CEO 2 sealed envelopes, and instructed him to open the envelope and follow the instructions in time of great crisis.
A few years go by and the new CEO had his first major crisis, he was desperately looking for a solution to manage the situation and then he remembered the 2 envelopes. He opened the first envelope and the letter said, blame everything on the previous CEO. So he did and the crisis passed. After sometime a new crisis developed and he opened the second envelope. The note inside told him to resign, write 2 letters, select a new CEO and give him the 2 new envelopes.
Now that Musharraf is gone…who are these "INTELLIGENT" leaders of our going to blame for the ills of the country. Will they themselves resign if a similar situation develops?
So Musharraf was a dictator. In the recent history which one of our Democratically elected rulers has not acted as a dictator. Mr. Bhutto, Mr. Sharif, Ms. Benazir Bhutto and now Mr. Zardari. All these political leaders belong to the feudal or industrial class and all are dictators in their parties.
oh yeah @kaami? pakistan was ever progressing in history? u cheapster!!
U and Ur investment.. hahahahah .. Sounds like Shaukat Aziz!!
That whole filthy money was due to taking part in international coalation against war on terror. That was the reason of our progress in mush era. Selling human beings!!!
Im not saying zardari and nawaz might do any thing good but nawaz was much better than mush.
FYI, The Great Britian was unable to teach the lesson to those "mujahideen" in tribal areas, when it was a super power. How can russia, USA and china be?? duh!! Dont even think abt that. Mush has TOTALLY destroyed pakistan. I wish some one cud kill him
Get a life baita.. tum jaisay bhot thay bhonknay waley.. Now the end is near.. Get lost and dont try to enter pakistan as its not the place for "FAcists" like U. Run! as the PCB president did.
We need to get rid of ppl like U and rest of the politicians, then we can progress along like we did in the past.
What is the status of NRO? Has the nation accepted it wholeheartedly?
I heard someone said this after the Lal Masjid incident…
وَتُعِزُّ مَن تَشَاء وَتُذِلُّ مَن تَشَاء بِيَدِكَ الْخَيْرُ
So???
وَتُعِزُّ مَن تَشَاء وَتُذِلُّ مَن تَشَاء بِيَدِكَ الْخَيْرُ
AB PAKISTAN KA KHARAB WAQET SHURU HO CHUKA HAY,,,,
Judges hum ko lay dobay gay, rahe sahi or bacha khucha Pakistan Taliban kha Jain gay, Aaj Wah factory kel GHQ or phir pata nahi kia kuch,
Pakistan ka Allah Hafiz remember these words who said ??
Worried !!
So here are some statistics for Nay Sayers and Jihaadist Sympathizers:
Pak Economy in 1999 was: $ 75 billion
Pak Economy in 2007 is: $ 160 billion
GDP Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) in 1999: $ 270 billion
GDP Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) in 2007: $ 475.5 billion
GDP per Capita in 1999: $ 2,000
GDP per Capita in 2007: $ 3,004
Pak revenue collection 1999: Rs. 305 billion
Pak revenue collection 2007: Rs. 708 billion
Pak Foreign reserves in 1999: $ 700 million
Pak Foreign reserves in 2007: $ 17 billion
Pak Exports in 1999: $ 7.5 billion
Pak Exports in 2007: $ 18.5 billion
Textile Exports in 1999: $ 5.5 billion
Textile Exports in 2007: $ 11.2 billion
KHI stock exchange 1999: $ 5 billion at 700 points
KHI stock exchange 2007: $ 70 billion at 14,000 points
Foreign Direct Investment in 1999: $ 1 billion
Foreign Direct Investment in 2007: $ 8 billion
Debt servicing 1999: 65% of GDP
Debt servicing 2007: 26% of GDP
Poverty level in 1999: 34%
Poverty level in 2007: 24%
Literacy rate in 1999: 45%
Literacy rate in 2007: 53%
Pak Development programs 1999: Rs. 80 billion
Pak Development programs 2007: Rs. 520 billion
Under Musharraf’s vision
· 9 world class Engineering universities being developed and 18 Public universities already developed.
· Public sector institutions have increased from 110,267 (in 1999) to become
· Private sector institutions have increased from 36,096 (in 1999) to become 81,103 (in 2006).
· PAK is 3rd best in world Banking profitability.
· PAK IT industry now values around $2 billion, including $1 billion exports and employs around 90,000
professionals.
· CNG sector has attracted over $70 billion investment in last 5 years; and created 45,000 jobs.
· Telecom sector attracted around $10 billion in investment and created above 1.3 million jobs.
· Industrial Parks are being setup throughout the country for the first time! M3 estate, Sunder industrial
estate, Chakri, etc.
· Major Mega projects like the Saindak, Rekodiq, Marble production, Coal production and Mining & Quarrying
are being pursued.
· In 2006, GDP growth is 6%. Earlier in 1999 was 3.5%.
· Foreign Reserves from $1 bn to $17 bn.
· KHI stock market: from 700 points to 13,000 points.
· Literacy rate improved by 11%.
· Poverty decreased by 10%.
· He made 4 dams: Mirani, Subakzai, Gomalzam, Khurram Tangi dams.
· 6 Motorways completed or under construction: M1, M3, M8, M9, M10, M11.
· Six major highways under construction.
· GWADAR advance mega Sea port developed under his vision!
· Historic 100% increase in Tax collection of $11 billion.
· Large scale manufacturing is 30 year high, and Construction activity is 17 year high.
· Newly found World class copper- gold deposits in Chagai will fetch $600 million per year.
· A new Oil refinery with UAE will fetch $5 billion & will process 300,000 oil barrels a day.
· Industrial sector registered 26% growth.
· PAK in 1999 was a $75 billion economy; and now 2006 it’s $160 billion economy!
· PAK economy was the 3rd fastest growing economy after China & India .
Education under Musharraf Era
In 1999-2000 there were 31 Public Universities. Now 2005-2006 there are 49 Public Universities. Under Musharraf 20 NEW
U NI VERSITIES SET UP!
· Air University (established 2002)
· Institute of Space technology, ISB (established 2002)
· Sardar Bahadur Khan Women University , Quetta (established 2004)
· University of Science & Technology, Bannu (established 2005)
· University of Hazara (founded 2002)
· Malakand university, Chakdara (established 2002)
· Karakurum International university, Gilgit (established 2002)
· University of Gujrat (established 2004)
· Virtual University of Pak, Lahore (established 2002)
· Sarhad University of IT, Peshawar (established 2001)
· National Law University , ISB (2007)
· Media University , ISB (2007) etc.
· University of Education , Lahore (2002)
· Lasbella University of Marine Sciences, Baluchistan (2005)
· Baluchistan University of IT & Management, Quetta (2002), etc.
Pakistan now has a total of 245,682 Educational institutions in all categories, including 164,579 (i.e. 67 percent) in
the Public sector and 81,103 (i.e. 100 percent) in the private sector, reports the National Education Census
(NEC-2005). The census — jointly conducted by the Ministry of Education, the Academy of Educational Planning and
Management (AEPAM) and the Federal Bureau of Statistics (FBS) — reveals that the number of private-sector
institutions has increased from 36,096 in 1999-2000 to 81,103 in 2005, i.e. by 100 per cent.
Total 99,319 Educational Institutions (Public & Private) have increased in Musharraf Era!
I was looking for this detail. Thanks Kami, but I must say the people against that golden era are ignoring everything. Its already too late for them to return back. This is the mistake on which the future generations will regret.
:(
I agree, Musharrafs resignation might have pleased the masses, but in the end, the country will suffer in the global race for economic prosperity.
KAAMI, could you cite the sources for your statistics? Just curious as to where you got them from.
I pray for the new government to make wise decisions and not back out from the Pak-US alliance. It is beneficial for the country’s reserves to say the least.
Kami is just another Muharraf’s Remnants who believed in economic laws by Musharraf that Pakisan progress because more people buy mobiles. duh
giving example of KSE is plain lame. Stock was all game of few filthy friends of Shoky who kept manipulating market for a decade. This is the truth whcih everyone knows. Offcourse you will never come up with stats that how many common Pakistani invested in stock? You can’t because average Pakistani was more disturbed due to inflation, loadsheding and law and order situations in cities like Karachi and Lahore.
Speaking of economy, SBP’s current and last president openly said that they warned Shaukat and His guys that econ is declining but they they didn’t hear. Wheat Smuggling, Sugar Scandals, Privatization Scams are few of many sins which screwed Pakistan up.
Sitting in drawing rooms and giving stasts from some evening paper is easy but not close to facts.
I knew it, this will come up, lols
What facts you are looking for Bro?
If seeing is believing, look around yourself.
Cheers ;)
EMRAN, I’m not currently in Pakistan, I left Pakistan 2 years ago, and seeing these negative changes makes my heart sink to the extent that even you yourself cannot feel, cuz I cant always clearly tell whats going on in Pakistan sitting in the US, but my heart still keeps sinking. Isb Metblogs keeps informing me (and I believe others around the world), and is doing a swell job at it!
@kaami (a.k.a @Balma,@ammar,@kabirdas,@sceptic): these are the lies which have bought pakistan upto this stage.
these are the lies which u were talking abt in ur previous post.
Shame on u, atheist business man!!! uptill when u will keep urself in deception .
SEE THE TRUTH!
@IUunknown,
Where is the TRUTH ?
Atleat Kaami brought up some facts, Good Job Kaami….
@Unknown, the truth is lost somewhere between the politicians and us, when its supposed to be coming from the politicians that is.
these facts are all those, which was barked by shaukat aziz and Musharraf. And then mush. had to call shaukat aziz back in order to justify his policies :)
There is no truth .. All lies in politics. Mush used army for his own purpose solely. Whole country is burning now.
May ALLAH bless pakistan
Very well put by BBC correspondent:
And like the emperor who had no clothes, no-one in his immediate circle seemed willing to tell him that his time was up.
Source: http://tinyurl.com/mush-ends
Unknown, first of all, let me congratulate you on being such an honest flamer.
Secondly your use of the word "burning" and "barked" makes me feel it is my, and other intellectuals waste of time trying to talk to you. Even some individuals who support your view are better educated in politics, and don’t resort to such atrocious words, such as yours. Your pessimism is not what Pakistan needs at the time being.
There is a fine line between you and the politicians, I am not party to that, whilst even your nick, "IUnknown" gives me the creeps. So please refrain from using words that subliminally reveal your true personality and identity. Thanks.
@furquanatique: thanks for the complements. I would like to be an honest person for my whole life doesnt matter if u call me flamer or wat.
It looks like u r not in pakistan rite now, to face the chaos created by Shaukat(the wolf) and Mush (the dog). Else you would have agreed to my words open heartedly. The worsst thing is that ppl still support those cowards and roberer and calllling other as flamers.
[...] and PPP coalition is now officially broken. The alliance that formed a major energy source that led stepping down of Musharraf as the President of Pakistan is now no more. Zardari is not in favor of getting the deposed/ disposed Judges back and Nawaz [...]
I was looking at the statistics provided by kaami. I was beginning to think all of this was true when i came across this:
Poverty level in 1999: 34%
Poverty level in 2007: 24%
And now i want to know more than ever about the source of these statistics. I do see around to ‘believe’ but this was completely unbelievable.
-Monazza.
These are not statistics but facts. Poverty did came down but now of course after this current spate of inflation it will go up again.
Let me remind you in late 90’s the headline of Pakistani Newspapers used to be that IMF and World Bank deadline will not be met and the nation will go bankrupt. Then a week or so before the govt used to beg our friends and some how the payments were made. Banks were selling yellow cabs and then running after political workers for payments. No wonder every big financial institution was on the verge of death. Engineers who used to pass out after spending on average 7 years in the universities had to run from pillar to post for employment. The list goes on.
In 2007 we actually had a shortage of professional namely Engineers and MBA’s, final year students had multiple job offers!. Plumbers, electiricians, thelay wala’s, mistry, tarkhan all have cell phones and all are busy dodging clients. I talked to a junior plumber who works in my apartment building, he turned down a 15000Rs/month offer from a contractor, and said, “I make much more as a freelancer”. This is how you decrease poverty, it takes time but the only way to do it is sustained economic growth, not by distributing PIA and government jobs.
All the statics I presented are true, and can be confirmed from neutral sources. therefore, they are not discussed in the Jamaatee infilterated media. I don’t claim that angels were ruling the land, yes mistakes were made and consequences endured. But a fool hardy and whining nation which desires change, should produce new leadership to do that otherwise should stick to what is tangible and makes sense.
@kami (a.k.a liberal facist): do u think mobile phone can save the life of ppl or 1 time food?
Ppl have started selling their children in the mush. era. Never heard that before in my life.
MISTAKES???????? u call them mistakes??? i wish same thing happens with ur family and then i will see wat u call it.
I am not jamattee but im against all such liberal facists who are trying to strip the nation and spread sharab, zinaa etc.
@kaami
What are those neutral sources? Could you kindly cite a few?
Thanks, Monazza.
Mr. IUNKNOWN people have been selling not only their children but themselves for centuries in the sub-continent, immense poverty has always been there but now we have media which can use it to attain its objectives. I have some questions:
1/ How come various talk show hosts have conveniently ignored the news that a Swiss court has just unfrozen a 50 million dollar Account of Mr. Asif Zardari. He is a public figure so his accounts are in public domain, so questions should be asked?
2/ A question for our judges. How come a low level British Magistrate forced Mr. Sharif to return 400 million dollars to a Bank, whereas, our judges despite all the evidence did not have the guts to convict any one for 8 years, all they did was give dates and made money. Now people raise hue and cry about NRO / judiciary. What a farse?
These thiefs accumulated wealth when the total foreign exchange reserve of the country was around 500 million dollars, and you know what, 50 million is 10% of the whole country’s reserve at that time, (how appropriate) and 400 million is 80%. Now they are Sahibs and the one man that did so much for the country during very tough times is the target of ridicule. No doubt ungrateful, whining and impatient nations get what they deserve.
And now Moonazza :
Its good to be opinionated but remember, that doesn’t mean that you have an informed opinion as well. I did not need to give you sources of my statistics, because in this informed age when you go about expressing yourself in various blogs its your duty to research and then form an opinion. Beolw are some links, you can find many more, just remember to distinguish between rhetoric and facts.
No nations is without problems, be that economic or political. Same is the case with Pakistan. Pakistan’s economic problems have dramatically changed from what they were in 1999. At that time it was destitude begging for money and now (I quote):
“Now Pakistan faces higher quality problems—the problems of success. Demand has risen faster than supply. This has shown up in high inflation and a zooming trade deficit. The “tight fiscal, easy money” formula to get growth going needs to be “tight fiscal, tight money and credit” to sustain rapid growth. Idle domestic production capacity allowed the rising demand to be accommodated by rising capacity utilization in cement, steel, fertilizer, textiles, automobiles and motorcycles. Now that capacity is more than fully utilized, resulting in backlogs and imports”
Here are some links:
http://earthtrends.wri.org/text/economics-business/country-profile-140.html
http://www.adb.org/documents/economic_updates/pak/
http://www.adb.org/documents/economic_updates/pak/eco-update-pak-apr2007.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Pakistan#Recent_economic_history
Non Neutral
http://www.finance.gov.pk/
Mr. IUNKNOWN people have been selling not only their children but themselves for centuries in the sub-continent, immense poverty has always been there but now we have media which can use it to attain its objectives. I have some questions:
1/ How come various talk show hosts have conveniently ignored the news that a Swiss court has just unfrozen a 50 million dollar Account of Mr. Asif Zardari. He is a public figure so his accounts are in public domain, so questions should be asked?
2/ A question for our judges. How come a low level British Magistrate forced Mr. Sharif to return 400 million dollars to a Bank, whereas, our judges despite all the evidence did not have the guts to convict any one for 8 years, all they did was give dates and made money. Now people raise hue and cry about NRO / judiciary. What a farse?
These thiefs accumulated this wealth when the total foreign exchange reserve of the country was around 500 million dollars, and you know what, 50 million is 10% of the whole country’s reserve at that time, (how appropriate) and 400 million is 80%. Now they are Sahibs and the one man that did so much for the country during very tough times is the target of ridicule. No doubt ungrateful, whining and impatient nations get what they deserve.
An now Moonazza :
Its good to be opinionated but remember that doesn’t mean that you have an informed opinion as well. I need not give you sources of my statistics, because in this informed age when you go about expressing yourself in various blogs that its your duty to research and then form an opinion. Below are some links, you can find many more, just remember to distinguish between rhetoric and facts.
No nations is without problems, be that economic or political, same is the case with Pakistan. Pakistan’s economic problems have dramatically changed from what they were in 1999. At that time it was destitude begging for money and now (I quote):
“Now Pakistan faces higher quality problems—the problems of success. Demand has risen faster than supply. This has shown up in high inflation and a zooming trade deficit. The “tight fiscal, easy money” formula to get growth going needs to be “tight fiscal, tight money and credit” to sustain rapid growth. Idle domestic production capacity allowed the rising demand to be accommodated by rising capacity utilization in cement, steel, fertilizer, textiles, automobiles and motorcycles. Now that capacity is more than fully utilized, resulting in backlogs and imports”
http://earthtrends.wri.org/text/economics-business/country-profile-140.html
http://www.adb.org/documents/economic_updates/pak/
http://www.adb.org/documents/economic_updates/pak/eco-update-pak-apr2007.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Pakistan#Recent_economic_history
Non Neutral
http://www.finance.gov.pk/
An now Moonazza :
Its good to be opinionated but remember that doesn’t mean that you have an informed opinion as well. I did not need to give you sources of my statistics, because in this informed age when you go about expressing yourself in various blogs that its your duty to research and then form an opinion. Below are some links, you can find many more, just remember to distinguish between rhetoric and facts.
No nations is without problems, be that economic or political, same is the case with Pakistan. Pakistan’s economic problems have dramatically changed from what they were in 1999. At that time it was destitude begging for money and now (I quote) :
“Now Pakistan faces higher quality problems—the problems of success. Demand has risen faster than supply. This has shown up in high inflation and a zooming trade deficit. The “tight fiscal, easy money” formula to get growth going needs to be “tight fiscal, tight money and credit” to sustain rapid growth. Idle domestic production capacity allowed the rising demand to be accommodated by rising capacity utilization in cement, steel, fertilizer, textiles, automobiles and motorcycles. Now that capacity is more than fully utilized, resulting in backlogs and imports”
Here are some links:
earthtrends.wri.org/text/economics-business/country-profile-140.html
http://www.adb.org/documents/economic_updates/pak/
http://www.adb.org/documents/economic_updates/pak/eco-update-pak-apr2007.pdf
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Pakistan#Recent_economic_history
Non Neutral
finance.gov.pk/
yep, all of our higher commmand is corrupt including Pervaiz Ashfaq Kiyani. They all deserve bullet "at least".
Dont yell media media dude. We need to get rid of higher officials, who are acting like american viceroys. Only then our country can be prosperious rather than following US policies.
and LoL .. u are asking us to look at finance.gov.pk/.. who have sissy chairman. hahahaha .. wat can be expect if our officials are like that
IUNKNOWN
For your info I have labelled the finance ministry website as non neutral. And I give another non-neutral one: cbr.gov.pk/
Let me make you privy to a little secret i.e. to form an informed opinion you have to look at both sides of the picture and then decide. If you glance back into the governing practice for the last eight years, then you will notice all the information about CBR, Finance ministry, Public contracts and Revenue Collection is in public domain. You can find the whole balance sheet of the country, quite easily if you tried. Departments like CBR, NADRA, Immigration & Passport, Customs and ministry of Finance have been commended internationally in this regard. Goto the CBR website and you will know how much info is there.
BTW from me you guys want statistics and their sources, May I ask where the substance in your rhetoric ? The best of Pakistan are already out of the country. Those who came back during Mush reign are flying out. You are suggesting bullets for the saner elements that remain, and when they are gone, I guess intellectuals like you will remain, good luck to Pakistan!
Economy is lightly better…. This very sentence shows a lack of understanding / naivity from your part.
Here are my after thoughts:
1/ How come various talk show hosts / bloggers have conveniently ignored the news that a Swiss court has just unfrozen a 50 million dollar Account of Mr. Asif Zardari. He is a public figure so his accounts are in public domain, so questions should be asked?
2/ A question for our judges. How come a low level British Magistrate forced Mr. Sharif to return 400 million dollars to a Bank, whereas, our judges despite all the evidence did not have the guts to convict anyone for 8 years, all they did was give dates and made money. Now people raise hue and cry about judiciary. What a farse?
These thiefs accumulated wealth when the total foreign exchange reserve of the country was around 500 million dollars, and you know what, 50 million is 10% of the whole country’s reserve at that time, (how appropriate) and 400 million is 80%. Now they are Sahibs, No doubt whining, forgetful and impatient nations get what they deserve.
No country is without problems, be that economic or political, same is the case with Pakistan. Pakistan’s economic problems have dramatically changed from what they were in 1999. At that time it was a destitute country begging for money to meet quarterly IMF deadlines, on the other hand, banks were giving yellow cabs for free to the political workers and every major financial institution was on the verge of collapse. There were grand govt sponsored scams like "Qarz uttaro Mulk Sanwaro" , "Saver Raffle", "Vision 2010" and "All projects to Daewoo" – all this conveniently forgotten . Now there are problems too (I quote) :
“Now Pakistan faces higher quality problems—the problems of success. Demand has risen faster than supply. This has shown up in high inflation and a zooming trade deficit. The “tight fiscal, easy money” formula to get growth going needs to be “tight fiscal, tight money and credit” to sustain rapid growth. Idle domestic production capacity allowed the rising demand to be accommodated by rising capacity utilization in cement, steel, fertilizer, textiles, automobiles and motorcycles. Now that capacity is more than fully utilized, resulting in backlogs and imports”
To top it off the real problems are: living in denial, blame everything on on US mentality, sympathy for fanatics and most importantly "lack of quality sex"
Sorry folks late night and multiple posts
ur last paragraph of last post shows ur mentality @kaami.
no need to say any thing else against ur lame arguments