Iqbal said:

Qatal-e-Hussain asal main marg-e-Yazeed hai
Islam zinda hota hai har Karbala kai bad

Josh said:

Insaan ko baidar to ho lenai do
Har qaum pukarai gi, Hamarai hain Hussain

There’s not much left to say.

May Almighty Allah help us – Humanity – learn the value of truth, salvation, sacrifice and prosperity.

The easy way.


Update: I learned from RR’s blog that the piece of poetry that I associated with Iqbal was not his, but Maulana Muhammad Ali Jauhar. I apologize for the mistake!

14 Comments so far

  1. A for [pine]Apple (asmamirza) on January 8th, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

    ohh really? @ the update … didnt know that ..!

  2. kabirdas on January 8th, 2009 @ 8:43 pm

    A great trajedy no doubt—killing the grand son of the prophet like this for the sake of power.
    If you read the history of that period you will also find many other wars in which Suhaba-e-Karam fought and killed each other. One such war was fought between Hazrat Ali and Hazat Aysha. And then we are told repeatedly that the Muslims of that period were much better than the Muslims of today. They ought to have been considering most of them had been the companion of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) but I wonder if they were when it came to grabbing the power.
    And bear in mind three of the first 4 califs (Khulfa-e-Rashdeen) did not die natural deaths. They all got killed. Only the first one died the natural death and that was because he was very old and ruled for a very brief period.
    Don’t listen to the rants and chants of Mullas. Read history of early Islam even if it is written by one of our own historians.

  3. kabirdas on January 8th, 2009 @ 9:51 pm

    @ A for [pine]Apple (asmamirza)

    I have seen most of EMTs (English Medium Types) when asked about the author of a certain SHER will invariably name Ghalib or Iqbal. It is good to know that they do know the names two Urdu poets.
    In some cases some VMTS who take advnce Urdu or something have been seen also coming up with names of Faiz and Fraz.
    Isn’t it rather encourging:-)

  4. wkhang on January 9th, 2009 @ 2:59 am

    Loud Question From Shia Brothers:

    Why you cut yourselves ?

    Did any of the companians or Relatives of Imam Hussain (Razzi Allah Tallah Anaha) did this ?

    Can you explain me ?



  5. kaami on January 9th, 2009 @ 9:36 am


    Very aptly put. In continuation, the plight of Prophets family didnt end with Karbala, Yazid was a Ummayad. Later in 683, the Yazid army also destroyed Kaaba, but this time failing to dislodge Ibn -al_Zubayr (S/o of Zubayr who had fought with Ayesha against Ali) had firmly installed himself as Caliph in Mecca. However, Ummayayad’s continued to rule from Damascus.

    Finally in 750, when Hashimyaa with the help of Khurasani’s defeated the Ummayyads in Iraq. Abu Al-Abbas ( direct descendent of Prophets uncle Abbas) founded the Abbaside dynasty, every member of Umaayyad Royal family was ordered to be killed, only one escaped.

    But the irony is, during the reign of second Abbasid Caliph Mansoor, two brothers, Mohammad Ibn Abdullah and Ibrahim both great grandsons of Hasan ibn Ali refused to give oath of allegiance to Mansoor. Consequently, they had to flee but their families were arrested and tortured. Mohammad re-emerged, took over Mecca and Madina, after few months he faced off with the Abbasid Army carrying black flags.He was defeated as was his brother in Basra, they were beheaded and their heads were sent to Kufa and presented to Mansoor. Again, the Prophets family had to endure and suffer. In all this, it is very interesting to read the exchange of letters that took place between Mansoor and Muhammad, in which they laid claim to wilayah courtesy their blood lines. Mohammed ibn Abdullah called Mansoor’s mother a concubine and non Arab, where as his bloodline was pure leading to Hazrat Fatima.

    Now an interesting story, Mohammad ibn Abdullah’s son Abdullah Ushtar, was sent to the province of Sindhby his father to enlist support from Umar ibn Hafs, the Governor. After, his fathers defeat in Mecca, the Hafs was transferred, the lone descendent of Prophet Mohammad was given refuge by a Sindhi Hindu Prince. He gave Mohammad’s descendants sanctuary, gave him his daughter in marriage, and refused the request of the mighty Caliph to hand him over. His kingdom was ultimately destroyed by Mansoors army, Mohammed Ushtar captured and killed. His Sindhi wife sent to Medina.

  6. sceptic on January 10th, 2009 @ 5:37 pm

    Kabirdas and Kaami – Thanks for refreshing the history, the bitter and often swept-under-the carpet one.

    If we continue this saga into last century, we see that the Sharifain, the Prophet’s descendants who nominally ruled Hijaz, uprooted and exiled by Saudis. However, three of the Sharifain princes, in exchange for this exile, were installed as kings on three artificially created countries (Transjordan, Syria and Mesopotamia) by Britain and France, post-Ottomans. One, Feisal, humiliated by Syrians was put in charge of Mesopotamia (Iraq). Iraqis did the best what they had done in the past. Feisal and his family were massacred in a couple in late 50s. The Sharifain’s rule only survives in Jordan, thanks to their strong allegiance to the West. The cycle continued.

    Kabirdas – It will be worth adding here that in the Battle of Camels alone more than 10,000 persons were lost in that supposedly golden period of Islam. There were more conspiracies and intrigues during that period in Medina than in Islamabad of today.

  7. kaami on January 10th, 2009 @ 10:00 pm


    Down right my friend! In 1924 when the Sauds from the barren desert of Nejd, followers of the fundamentalist Wahab, attacked and occupied Hejaz (Meacca & Madina). They violated the centuries old arrangement honored by Abbasids, Egyptian and Turks that Hejaz was ruled by Prophets descendants and enjoyed a degree of autonomy under a Sharif, never by Nejdi’s.

    However, after 1924′ s illegal occupation of Hejaz, the Saud’s set about propagating their screwed up ideology and destroying the Muslim heritage. They have kept their hold on power I quote, "By means of racism, torture and terror. Today because of its oil wealth and support to US".

    They bull dozed the graves of Fatima and many other companions in the Baqi Graveyard. Later they bull dozed the hose of Khadija and turned it into public toilets, bull dozed the house of prophet in Mecca and turned it into a parking lot, burned the grave of Prophets mother Amina and demolished the House of Abu-Bakr to make way for Hilton Hotel. In all, over 90% of the thousand year old Mecca has been destroyed for profit or expansion by the Khadim’s of Hermain Sharifain. Surprisingly, we hear no voices of protest, no mass demonstrations, no burning of embassies or flags over these brutal actions. The whole ummah seems to be complicit, even the independent newspapers keep silent, nobody dares. on the other hand, if…..I’ll leave it at that.

    In 1979 a group led by radical Saudi’s, containing Egyptians as well as Pakistani’s occupied Kaaba and announced that Imam Mehdi has arrived. There was a news black out in Saudia, the govt hastly announced that it was a jewish attack, consequently the US Embassy and Panam offices in Pakistan were attacked. Hundreds died in Millitary action that followed, but it failed, Kaaba was damaged. Finally it was upto the French Commando’s who cleaned up the mess and liberated the House of God.

    And then there is Iran…which is another story….

    Today poor second rated muslims (Mawali’s) of Pakistan have become the battle ground for all these screwed interpretations of their faith and centuries old clan rivalry.

  8. Monazza Talha (montaleast13) on January 12th, 2009 @ 9:42 am

    Can anyone please suggest a book or books in which this history is detailed? Would like to read up on this.

    Thanks, Monazza.

  9. sceptic on January 12th, 2009 @ 6:21 pm

    Monazza – My starting point would be "Mecca: a literary history of the Muslim Holy Land" by F. E. Peters, (Princeton University Press – 1994)
    but one needs to read a variety of sources to objectively learn about history. Good luck.

  10. sceptic on January 12th, 2009 @ 6:43 pm

    Try this link for the FE Peters above work

  11. kaami on January 13th, 2009 @ 11:20 pm


    i will provide references too. check in later

  12. kabirdas on January 14th, 2009 @ 12:03 am

    Last year for the first time I read a history book written in Urdu by a Pakistani/Indian muslim scholor. It was in three volumes. I only read the first volume which dealt with the period of Khulfa-e-Rashdeen. I wanted to read this book just to see the views of our own Muslim historian about what went on during that early period of Islam. Unexpectedly I found it to be an excellent book. Its paper was good. Its print was good. It had been written objectively. The best part was that in many cases about certsin issues it gave the view point of different historians. The book was written sometime in 1924 or thereabout. Now it had been revised and upgraded. Anyway after reading this book I did not feel very good about what went on during that period. In their quest for power the Muslims of that period were not much different from us though by listening to the chants and rants of Mullas we tend to believe otherwise.

    Today I went to the library, for a brief period, to locate this book to recommend it to you but couldn’t find it. I will try again to find this book when I have some more time at my disposal. If I found it I will let you know about it. I would like you to read this book rather than one by a non Muslim so that you may not say, like we tend to say, that the writer was perhaps biased and prejudiced.

  13. kaami on January 14th, 2009 @ 12:15 am

    Altought historical acccounts are available from a variety of sources, the earlier onesl include writings by ibn Ishaq, Tabari and >The Muqadimah by Ibn Khaldoun. And other medieval
    Arab historians Later on works by Shibli Nomani and Njeebabadi etc. There are quite a few European writers who have written extensively on the Ummayyad and Abbassid era of Damascus, Baghdad and Undlus.

    Here is the link to Mohammad Ushtar Story

    However, what I will recommend is a very recent work by a Pakistani Canadian Tareq Fatah (Founder of Muslim Congress of Canada MCC). In his book he has beautifully articulated the current state of affairs with an indepth historical account. It’s a one stop shop to get all the references that you need. The book is:

    Chasing A Mirage,/B>
    The Tragic Illusion of an Islamic State

  14. Monazza Talha (montaleast13) on January 14th, 2009 @ 11:23 am

    @ sceptic, kabirdas, kaami

    Thank you all for providing and/or trying to provide the requested references. I will do a research on my own too but the little push from you in the right direction is appreciated.


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