TalibanIS(LOO)ation?

Ok, this is a short post to get the opinion of our readers.

Baitullah Masud‘s comments are coming out in the mainstream media that they will reach Islamabad. Stuff like two attacks per week till drone attacks aren’t finished. I am getting sms that stay away from F-8 markaz for some days because there are rumors of suicide attack there. And well, I go there for gym almost daily. There was a suicide attack in my street recently that unfortunately killed some people.

Well, how do you feel about the new wave of terror that has hit our beloved, once peaceful – Islamabad!

45 Comments so far

  1. kaami on April 9th, 2009 @ 11:56 pm

    What terror? Where?

    Its all American/Indian/Jewish/RAW/Moosaad/MI5/Italian/Brunei conspiracy.

    There is nothing wrong, everything is calm and queit. The silence is only broken by the chirping of the birds or the butterflies flapping their wings.

    All is good, all is well and those who think othervise are all American/Indian/Jewish/RAW/Moosaad/MI5/Italian/Brunei Agents.

    We already have a heavenly parallel state within state which violates every clause in our constitution but luckily none of the black coats seem to notice.

    Soon we will have a new Ameer-ul-Momineen and there will be Qazi courts every where. Insaaf hoga zaroor hoga! This place will become even more sanitized when Shia’s will be asked to leave for Iran and whatever is left of other minorities will immigrate to countries of their choice.

    Then it will truly become the land of the pure, where all men will eventually get their divine right to flog their women.


  2. furquanatique on April 10th, 2009 @ 1:11 am

    You complicated Kaami… ;)


  3. sufiblade on April 10th, 2009 @ 10:48 am

    Just stay away from wherever there are police/military posts. Or foreign offices. Or government offices. Why don’t they just attack the parliament building etc.? And why the heck can’t we tell the U.S. to stop the drone attacks?


  4. crazymonkey on April 10th, 2009 @ 10:55 am

    I would love to see the Presidency blown to smithereens.


  5. rehmat on April 10th, 2009 @ 7:53 pm

    I wonder what these militant groups are gonna achieve with this stupid strategy of two attacks per week except killing more and more people – American predator strikes can’t be stopped this way . We hardly see any government action as far as the recent threats by Baitullah Masud are concerned. Where is government’s plan of action of protecting ordinary citizens from suicide blasts as well as such rumors which are widely in circulation these days . Today, all the private schools in Islamabad were closed because of some terrorist threat . For me, all this situation is a violation of my fundamental rights particularly right to live peacefully and freedom of movement.


  6. jahanara on April 11th, 2009 @ 7:19 pm

    I wish we would start condemning these barbaric Taliban loudly and clearly. There are too many ifs and buts. The Taliban are the enemy.


  7. furquanatique on April 11th, 2009 @ 9:45 pm

    I, on the contrary, hope we can rebuild our crumbling public education sector, which I think is the only sector from where potential students are NOT leaving the country. We need more academic funding if we are to tackle this b**ch called corruption/terrorism etc! Honestly, its the only thing that is coming between us and a bright future.


  8. kabirdas on April 11th, 2009 @ 11:39 pm

    @ furquanatique

    Agree. I will go one step further and add: Substitute religion with education and everything will fall at its right place.


  9. kabirdas on April 11th, 2009 @ 11:46 pm

    @ jahanara :
    "I wish we would start condemning these barbaric Taliban loudly and clearly."

    I wish we would start reevaluting our religion to see if it is compatible with the modern times or not.


  10. kabirdas on April 11th, 2009 @ 11:56 pm

    @ Rehmat:
    " I wonder what these militant groups are gonna achieve with this stupid strategy of two attacks per week except killing more and more people"

    What alternative strategy would you suggest to them to achieve their goal??


  11. kabirdas on April 12th, 2009 @ 12:23 am

    @ kaami

    " We already have a heavenly parallel state within state which violates every clause in our constitution"

    Yes, but the state within the state is following every clause of our good book which takes precedence over our constitution or doesn’t it. Sir, what do you say to that??

    " but luckily none of the black coats seem to notice"

    Sir, you expect black coats to go where our khakis (who are paid for it) fear to tread. Once our khakis have laid down their arms the black coats may move in to perform another miracle !!

    " Then it will truly become the land of the pure, where all men will eventually get their divine right to flog their women."

    And thus the God’s law will prevail in 21 century as it did ever before at the times of Abraham and Moses. Wouldn’t it ?????


  12. kabirdas on April 12th, 2009 @ 12:30 am

    @ Talha Masood

    " comments are coming out in the mainstream media that they will reach Islamabad"

    I thought they were already there in in thousands in Jamia-e-Faridia adjacent to E-7 (Thank to Zia) and few other madrassas in Islamabad.


  13. wkhang on April 12th, 2009 @ 12:46 am

    Brother,
    (save yourself/City/Country)

    Get back to basics and you will find peace all over the country.


  14. rehmat on April 12th, 2009 @ 1:30 am

    @ Kabirdas – I would suggest you to be a little bit pragmatic here – I was criticizing militant’s horrendous act of killing innocent people – why the hell they can’t stop this power politics ?

    substituting religion with education is a long term strategy which is gonna take sometime whereas this issue of terrorism requires immediate measures. Isn’t it Kabirdas ?


  15. hashriani on April 12th, 2009 @ 10:03 pm

    There has to be a catch (millions of dollars in the pockets of the high order) for the Government of Pakistan NOT to say no to something.

    Yeehaw, polo grounds and palaces!


  16. dushanbe on April 13th, 2009 @ 5:50 am

    I have ony one question, why on earth is this guy "mehsud" is still free and allowed to kill pakistani people?

    the chicken head is not a man enough to kill NATO in afghanistan thats why he kills innocent muslims. and our leaders including the army chief is an even bigger chicken for not being able to put this guys down. all reporters know his locations cause he loves to appear on tv and give interviews while hiding his face so i am sure the ISI know where he is.

    even if taleban is a strategic ASSet thats fine, but mehsud and traitors like him who have turned on pakistan should be knocked down quickly and aggressively. yeah right but we r too busy deciding which idiot will rule punjab n stupid stuff like that… amazing… all ppp n pml including mullah parties are total impotent stupids


  17. kaami on April 13th, 2009 @ 7:41 pm

    @kabirdas

    Isn’t everything gotten so screwed up. Indeed Khaki’s will not move in until they are supported by the public? When an ordinary soldier or an officer has doubts about why he is putting his life at stake then the result will be less than desirable. Hence the question: is it our war or their war? needs to be clearly answered and understood. That’s not gonna happen very soon as the political leadership is in disarray, there is zero governance and confusion abounds. Just look at Swat, the millitary operation there was successful in securing the area and atleast putting the crack pots on the run. Come the secular political govt of ANP, who not even consulted their own local MNA’s / MPA and let Sufi Mohd and all the captives on the loose. God knows how many ANP and PPP political workers in the area have been subsequently killed or forced to flee, all in the name of peace. Can’t blame the military about this fiasco.

    The reference to black coats was deliberate because the Swat peace accord directly affects them and the judicial system that they have sworn to protect. They can boycott the courts on purely political and criminal matters such as the killing of Balloach leaders, so why cant they voice their opinion on something that directly concerns them? On the other hand Mr. Zardari chickened out and has shifted responsibility by sending the Nizaam-e-Adl thing to parliament, which despite the intention is the right thing to do for a democratic govt. It will be fun and we will know who stands where.

    Is our constitution subservient to the book? If so who will interpret the book? Who is qualified? Shall we have a literal interpretation of the book or a more flexible one? Is the Khalifa representative of the God, isn’t that a Maluki concept? Who will decide all that? It so happened that one of the major discoveries of mankind which enabled society to leap forward was the separation of State from Religion. A brilliant but simple concept that enables people to keep their faith, at the same time progress and co-exist. How come we are finding it so hard to comprehend?


  18. kaami on April 14th, 2009 @ 12:56 am

    @kabirdas – Never mind about the Niza-e-Adl ordinance. Wow it was rubber stamped by the Assembly, not even a debate not even a finger raised.

    OK I have no problem it being passed but the least our representatives could have done was to discuss it, elaborate its high points and point out some minor infractions. For Gods sake legitimizing a parallel judicial system must require some clarifications to say the least, some questions might have been raised. No? Ok, can somebody forward me a link to the draft?


  19. wkhang on April 14th, 2009 @ 4:21 am

    Do not scared from them, let them enjoy the peace what they wanted from 1960, Islamic Republic Of Pakistan Zinda Abad.

    Zardary you are going okay, keep it up, what ever people want just give them.

    http://air16.blogspot.com/


  20. jahanara on April 14th, 2009 @ 6:20 am

    It is all over. Swat is officially now an Islamic Emirate run by illiterate Mullah Taliban. The next step is handing over Baluchistan to the BLA. The army is at fault here. They do not have the capacity or the will to fight these Taliban bastards. The people of Pakistan have fattened them up too much. All they are good for is running Real Estate businesses. Goodbye to the Pakistan that we knew and grew up in.


  21. riaz on April 14th, 2009 @ 10:22 am

    I read a letter from an indian army officer to Gen Kayani in The News today.the indian officer was 100 percent right in his assessment.
    Pakistan Army has laid down arms once again.Now its time to stop their salaries because of their inability to do the job.Shame on such a coward army.All they are good for is imposing martial law and real estate.


  22. riaz on April 14th, 2009 @ 10:28 am

    I thought Gen Kayani was a professional soldier (according to all media hullabulla abt him when he was made COAS) but he has turned out to be yet another Gen. Niazi.


  23. wkhang on April 14th, 2009 @ 3:41 pm

    Riaz & Jahanara,

    You are reaction is correct !!!


  24. kaami on April 14th, 2009 @ 7:10 pm

    Now whats this hulla bulla about Kiyani and the army. I know the guy is the next target on the Jamaatee propaganda machine. What you expect him to do. The people want the army under the democratic govt, so they are acting as per the wishes of the people. When they operate a hue and cry is raised “Apney hee logoon ko maar rahey hein”. They cleaned up Swat and the peoples representatives handed it right back on a platter. When they acted on LaL Masjid, they were branded as cruel. When they acted in Baluchistan they were branded as murderers. Now your parliamentarians sanction a parallel judicial system in Swat without even debating it, nobody is bothered so why should they.

    Acting under Mush was a different matter, they had a President who had the guts to publicly take responsibility for the orders he gave. But now they are under people’s representatives and that’s how it should be. if the democrats were doing the right thing in the pre World War II Germany, the Nazi Fascists would never had an opportunity to take over an enlightened nation and we are not even enlightened.

    Its an irony that most ( not all) of the ills that are associated with Pakistan can be traced to a military regime and its historic right wing civilian allies (namely JI). However it’s a paradox when by chance this institution wanted to correct the wrongs of the past, cleanse itself of crack pots, work for peace with the neighbours, retreat from public administration and provide a platform for the nation to grow and eventually become fully democratic. It’s the people blinded by media propagandists who turned the apple cart. They rose up for change. Unfortunately, change for the worst not for the better. After all its not every day in Pakistan that you get a leader who is not corrupt and has the will to do what is right instead of what is popular.

    So this is all in the name of peace. Taking queue from history I dread that bloodshed is inevitable, I hope we do not become another Germany or even worst. After all Germany was strong, it had allies, whereas, we are weak and stand alone.


  25. kaami on April 14th, 2009 @ 8:13 pm
  26. kabirdas on April 14th, 2009 @ 9:37 pm

    @ Kaami
    "How come we are finding it so hard to comprehend?"

    Perhaps because prophet Muhammad not only started a new religion but also established a state at the same time. Thus the new religion and the new state got woven into each other inexorably. Therefore, unfortunately we find it hard to believe that religion can be separated from the state. Even Allama Iqbal has subscribed to this idea when he said:

    Ho juda deen siasat say to rah jati hay changazi

    Allama was perhaps not a very good student of history to have said that. Wish he knew about the Changezi of religions.


  27. kabirdas on April 14th, 2009 @ 10:41 pm

    @ kaami
    " Wow it was rubber stamped by the Assembly, not even a debate not even a finger raised."

    Isn’t it obvious that they got scared because of the warning issued by Muslim Khan. And they are supposed to be the leaders of men. What leaders and what men !!


  28. kabirdas on April 14th, 2009 @ 10:47 pm

    @ jahanara

    Army is subservient to the civil government. Don’t blame the army for showing cowardice after seeing the courge of our leaders in the assembly.
    And by the way didn’t it surprize you that none of the female MNAs got up to say what they thought of all this???


  29. kabirdas on April 14th, 2009 @ 11:20 pm

    @ kaami on April 14th

    It will be interesting to know how do you view the dictatorship of Ayub Khan vis a vis Mush dictatorship ????


  30. kaami on April 14th, 2009 @ 11:20 pm

    @kabirdas – Reposting here for the benefit of others observe the dichotomy of views.

    Take a look at this article by Mr. Abbassi. Notice the repetition of word NGO. Isn’t he in-sync with Munawar Hassan. However, I must say a tactfully written piece of work.

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=21502

    On the other hand we have this too:

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/columnists/kamran-shafi-march-of-the-taliban


  31. kabirdas on April 15th, 2009 @ 12:14 am

    @ kaami

    I had read this report of Mr Abbasi before you drew my attention to it. And when I read it I thought of you and what you had said about him. Yes, I agree with you. He is a Jamati alright.
    However, this wouldn’t make me change my opinion that Mush’s action of 08 March 07 was a mistake on his part and his action of 03 Nov 07 condemnabale. It requires some deep thought to see that.
    Thanks for drawing my attention to these two articles.


  32. kaami on April 15th, 2009 @ 12:39 am

    @kabirdas – Quite true, 2007 was a disaster.

    There is no comparison. Since Mush doesn’t fit the traditional definition of dictator. “He was a dictator so that there shall be no more” I know that’s his favourite line from Atta Turks Biography. Dictators usually usurp freedoms and block expression instead he gave all; He encouraged openness and even tolerated personal ridicule and slander. Yes it was not paradise, there were gaping holes which were left unplugged but the main thing – The country was moving forward!

    Mush Mistakes – Should have held elections in the first quarter of 2007. Should not have allowed free wheeling coverage of Lal Masjid events giving an ideal stage to the fanatics. Should have imposed emergency immediately after Lal Mosque events rather than later, then it would have been justifiable and judicial crises would have been avoided.

    I know the detractors say that what is happening today is a result of Mush policies, to that I don’t agree and can lecture further. But instead I ask what other policies are on the table? Where is the consensus on major issues facing us? On the other hand, why should there be consensus, why dont I see difference of opinion backed by logic and debate?

    All we have achieved is, from good governance we have plummeted to zero governance in record time. I guess we have to learn the hard way, may be it would have been better if he hadnt taken over in 1999. It would have been interesting to see Nawaz and BB handle the situation after 9/11. Alas! past cant be undone.


  33. kaami on April 15th, 2009 @ 12:50 am

    @kabirdas – I am catching up now and, happy to note that there were two dissenting voices, that to from the gentleman from Chakwaal “Ayaz Amir” and ofcourse from Karachi “Farooq Sattar”

    Bravo Ayaz! he spoke against his parties wishes.

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=21505


  34. riaz on April 15th, 2009 @ 4:40 am

    @Kaami

    the reason paliment gave a blank cheque to the taliban was because the army had failed to contain them. The army conducted operation in swat for over a year and failed miserably.They could not capture any taliban leader nor could they block the FM radios. once this was clear to the parlimentarians that even the army cannot fight them, they also gave in to Muslim khan’s threats.The same happened in case of baluchistan and Lal Masjid. It took the army more than a month to take over a small compound and neutralize a dozen or so armed militants.It speaks volumes about the competency of the army. Todays’s officers and jawans are more concerned with what civil post will they get after retirement and which DHA plot will they get. Defending the country and people is the last thing on their mind. i speak with experience. I have relatives and friends in army. i never hear them talking about army, arms, defense etc. when I am in their company i feel like i am hanging around with some property dealers.
    It was not the civilian leaders who gave in to taliban, it was the mighty army (which supposedly fought valiantly against the indians in 3 wars). Teh MPs were left with no choice after that.Its time we start asking abt the money we have spent on army in last 60 years and what achievements they have made.


  35. kaami on April 15th, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

    @riaz you might be right on all counts. Those who know the history will find it hard to contradict you. I guess if we can’t clean our mess then we should not complain when somebody else does it for us.

    That said, it does not completely absolve the parliamentarians. After all if people like Ayaz Amir can stand up and be counted then what is stopping others? I guess the reason might be that people like Ayaz are not confused, they are clear about what is right and what is wrong, whereas the overwhelming majority of his companions are either unsure or are sitting under that roof for all the wrong reasons.

    Let me be clear, whatever the state of our Army, this menace cannot be dealt with negotiations alone. It will eventually require military action with the support of the parliament and the public at large. The longer it takes the bloodier it would be. On the other hand as long as the terror mongers feel that their tactics are working, that our leadership is divided, that our public is in denial, that we will continue to blame others for our misfortunes then they will continue with what they are doing.

    A nation might need its military to fight but it does not need it to show resolve.


  36. kaami on April 15th, 2009 @ 6:35 pm

    On the lighter side this is the funniest headline I have read in a while:

    Pakistan can be ‘role model’ for Muslim world: Qureshi

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/pakistan+has+spent+34.5b+on+the+war+on+terror+fm-rs


  37. kabirdas on April 15th, 2009 @ 9:59 pm

    @ kaami

    " Pakistan can be ‘role model’ for Muslim world: Qureshi "

    But he is right. The Muslim world is home of Jihalat and who else can be a better role model for it but Pakistan to sink deeper into it.


  38. kaami on April 15th, 2009 @ 11:03 pm

    @kabirdas – Your insight is invaluable and I stand corrected.

    I wonder where is PTI and IK these days. Where they stand on all this?Must be very happy on how things ar unfolding.


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  40. wkhang on April 16th, 2009 @ 2:39 am

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  41. riaz on April 16th, 2009 @ 6:18 am

    Of course Ayaz Amir is a brave person. He doesnt care about his life.On the same level, there are few brave officers and jawans in the army too.But does it matter in the end?
    The basic thing we need to ask today is what to do with a person who fails to do his/her job? You normally fire them from their job. shoouldnt this rule aply to the Army too? After all its the army that has been taking over govt afgter govt for the very same reason that politicians have failed to do what they are supposed to do.So isnt it time we ask the army what it has been doing? It was 10Km from srinagar in 1948 before the indian army landed at srin nagar airport and pushed it back to where its now on LOC. In 1965 it lost thousand of sq Km area to india in different sectors.In 1971, it lost half the country. In 1980’s it lost siachen.In 1998 it lost the Kargil war and was pushed back from all the peaks (it could have been worst if Nawaz had not begged Clinton for a ceasefire from india). It has lost all of FATA and now Malakand division to illiterate and lightly armed (but barbaric and committed) talibans.
    If we had spent the money we spent on this useless outfit on education,health and otehr infrastructure, there would have been no taliban to begin with.What a waste of resources it was.


  42. kaami on April 16th, 2009 @ 9:02 am

    @riaz agreed – To add if we had spent all that wealth that went down the drain towards developing the useless Nuclear Bomb and instead spent it on nuclear power stations and Satellite Technology, we would have been leaders in the whole region and earned billions.

    But thats all in the past and cant be undone,the future is even more bleak. My fear is, our fractured society will get divided into various camps and anarchy will take hold. So my friend we need whatever military we have to be intact and under sane command. If however, the control of this institution is seized by Ziaists, then I am pretty sure things will get much worse and all sorts of contingency plans will be put to action.

    Prognosis is not good.

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  43. kabirdas on April 16th, 2009 @ 10:12 am

    @ kaami
    " I wonder where is PTI and IK these days."
    I had become an admirer of Imran Khan for his stand about rule of law. Now I think he is a nut case notwithstanding his establishment of Cancer Hospital. I still pay part of my Zakat to Shaukat Khanum Hospital. Only yesterday the wife of a friend of mine remarked that persons like Imran Khan have perhaps become pro Taliban because they couldn’t dominate their wives the way they wanted to.


  44. riaz on April 16th, 2009 @ 10:53 am

    I dont think this army has the guts to fight taliban. as i mentioned in my earlier post, its a good for nothing outfit. So dont bank on it for ‘defence’ of the people.And it really doesnt matter if its lead by Ziaists or not.It won’t make much difference. As i siad its a white elephant.
    the only way I see taliban going are if US helps the locals with arms and uses its technology to help them. The reason why locals dont stand up to taliban is because they know that army wont be coming to their rescue if things go wrong.if they are 100 percent confident that US will send its drones and bombers for their help if they are sorrounded by taliban, they will act.
    a frined of mine from swat sent me this slogan. "Pakistan ke 2 shaitaan. Fauj aur uss ke Taliban". apparently its very popular among swatis.


  45. sceptic on April 17th, 2009 @ 6:51 pm

    Swallowing up Pakistan

    Zafar Hilaly

    The surrender of Swat politically was as humiliating as that of Dhaka militarily. It doesn’t matter whether the Nizam-e-Adl regulation is good or bad, barbaric or Islamic. Or whether the court judgements will be super-quick or delayed. Or whether presiding officials are called ‘qazis’ or ‘justices’. What matters is that the agreement was extracted by force and specifically by the slaughter, amputations, abductions, rape and terrorising of innocent citizens.

    Again it doesn’t matter that once upon a time the laws and practices under the Adl existed as part of the customary law of Swat. So did Sati in India; infanticide in Arabia and karo-kari (honour killings) in Pakistan. But they will never be enacted into law, notwithstanding demands of locals or a parliamentary resolution. But it is unconscionable that Swati women should be denied education and work when even the Prophet permitted it in Islam.

    Muslim Khan, the Taliban spokesman, announced that there would be more executions, showing off a list of those the Taliban want to try under the new Adl courts. His list included senior government servants, a woman whose husband serves in the US military and many others. Already Swat is full of Taliban militants, who in due course will invite drone attacks. Yet, they’ll go about their deadly task. In which case the Adl will bring death and destruction rather than peace to Swat.

    Within a day of the accord being announced, Khan said, contrary to what was agreed, that the Taliban in Swat would not surrender their weapons on the grounds that Islam permitted the carrying of weapons. The Awami National Party (ANP) spokesman explained that what Khan meant was that “personal weapons” would not be surrendered. Earlier, Khan had made the Taliban forsaking weapons conditional on “the enforcement of Sharia on the ground by the government” when no such condition was included in the infamous agreement with the ANP.

    With the acceptance of the Adl demand, the fear that extremism may overwhelm Pakistan has been replaced by the certitude that it will. Lives are being planned accordingly and so too are investments.

    In moments of national stress, the people look up to their leaders and in moments of peril to the armed forces. In Pakistan today neither is evident. Of the national leadership, including that of the Opposition, the less said the better. The stifling of debate on the legislation in Parliament notwithstanding the historic nature of the Adl law that virtually creates a State within a State; the decision to forgo secret balloting meant that many, perhaps the majority of the Members of National Assembly (MNAs) who opposed the law, were silenced. Or was it that terrified by the Taliban threat to kill those who did not support the legislation, the MNAs thought that discretion was the better part of valour and opted for a voice vote?

    Of the Army, public expectations were high and hence the disappointment greater. If the truth be told, one of the largest standing armies in the world, with nuclear weapons to boot, is in headlong retreat. A rag-tag gang of killers has it on the run.

    Pakistanis are waking up to the prospect that they have no one to defend them but themselves. As one recently retired major, discounting any opposition by the establishment to the seemingly irresistible advances of the Taliban, said: “Oil your guns, Sir, and keep the ammo handy. It is we, the public, who will have to do the fighting.”

    It seems that the crucial psychological moment when a people and a society take destiny in their own hands is happening. By the time this process, whether forced on them by circumstances or undertaken by their own will, is completed, Pakistan would have changed, been irretrievably transformed. One can only pray that the metamorphosis that takes place will be for the better.

    Zafar Hilaly is a former Pakistani Ambassador

    Courtesy: The News



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