Stop the War

PakistanThe families who were forced out of thier homes in minutes took nothing with them, crops were left standing and doors left open. They paid 10 times the normal fare to travel without food or water to a maladministered refugee camp. This Army operation has been started at the behest of the American govt – not the Pakistani people or the people of Swat. Barely ten days had passed since the parliament passed the Nizam-e-Adl agreement and since the very beginning statements of ill-intent starting pouring out of Washington. Peace was not given a chance and now the summer campaign to crush insurgency has been started – at what cost? We have created 1.3million refugees just to hunt down a few criminals? thats comparable to a carload of criminals coming into F10 and the govt reacting by clearing out the whole sector and bombing it with F16’s. This is nonsense. We should all stand up and say to our “brave” troops “Stop fighting America’s War“.

17 Comments so far

  1. cyberizen on May 14th, 2009 @ 12:15 pm

    wow this post is just pure ignorance


  2. sceptic on May 14th, 2009 @ 6:45 pm

    Absolutely one-sided view based on compulsive anti-Americanism, devoid of reality.


  3. sceptic on May 14th, 2009 @ 7:20 pm
  4. furquanatique on May 15th, 2009 @ 9:03 pm

    @sceptic excellent article, but I dont see how it responds to Majads post?


  5. itna on May 16th, 2009 @ 3:53 am

    Majad – a typical conspiracy theory mindset and nonsense text. Peace was not given a chance? There was no peace to be at gunpoint and with an eager to please weak government. How many concessions would you make next time someone blackmails you with arms?

    Sceptic – thanks for the link

    furquanatique – Dude, did you even read the article posted by sceptic? Read Majad’s piece of nonsense and then the first part of article again….or should someone join the dots for you?


  6. furquanatique on May 16th, 2009 @ 10:09 am

    @itna, with all due respect, I expected Sceptic to respond to my question, but since you insist, here is my motive to respectfully inquire about the linking of that article to this post.

    We all know, without doubt, that if the US didn’t care about terrorism, we wouldn’t be sending our best men to die protecting our country, and the terrorists wouldn’t cause any havoc in Pakistan as a result, but since that is not the case, we KNOW that it is indeed the international pressure from the US and other nations that is fueling our very own internal battles against the terrorists.

    The post by Majad is protesting death and the creation of refugees on a massive scale in Pakistan to bring justice to a couple, maybe a hundred very dangerous people.

    According to Majad, "This Army operation has been started at the behest of the American govt", please note he is talking about the Army Operation by the Pakistani military being reinforced BY the American Government FOR the sake of the American Government. He is not saying that the US wished to destabilize Pakistans nukes through use of their own military (thus the 1st part of the article by Sceptic achieves nothing), he is merely protesting the methods used by the United States to achieve the goal of bringing the terrorists to justice, which any person in his right mind would believe, are highly inhuman methods.

    I have come across and talked to many many American troops who were posted in Afghanistan and Iraq, ALL of them claim that is it VERY inhuman to destroy the lives of so many people to seek the destruction of so few…

    @itna, I hope it clarifies my question for Septic and on the contrary, joins the dots for you… :)


  7. itna on May 16th, 2009 @ 3:15 pm

    furquanatique – hey, thanks for a more objective analysis to clarify your point of view, I really appreciate that. I have to agree with you to certain extent that articles refer to different aspects of the current geo-political situation. But at the same time I believe that Majad’s article though very truly expressing the anger (felt by all of us) at the misery of people affected by the operation still enforces the mindset of the (ill-informed?) public that US or West is behind every dilemma Pakistan faces today.

    The dots :-) that I would very eagerly join between the two articles is that Majad puts the responsibility of "peace" failing and the operation on US pressure, based on US interest and the first two myths in the Dawn article though referring to the different issues try to discourage the US conspiracy theories so much loved by our public.

    In short, the dotted figure says – enough of anti US rhetoric, just for the sake of it.

    If a country is weak then those empires that are stronger will be able to enforce their will. The Arabs did it to Spain and the British to Indian subcontinent. If the current government has been hiding their head in the sand, like an ostrich, wishing the problem in the North to go away then powers like US will come in to protect their interests and dictate.

    Now is this operation to look after "US interests" to prevent talibanisation of the region – probably yes. But is this operation for Pakistan’s own interests to have law and order order restored and stop the march of so called few hundred or thousand to destabilise the whole country – then the answer is absolutely yes.

    IDPs is only a symptom of the problem the good governments of Pakistan have failed to address in the past. All I say is to take care of our people who are affected and unlike Majad I would request not to leave another half baked pie by stopping this operation in the middle. Otherwise if we don’t make any decisions now, time will make them for us.


  8. riaz on May 16th, 2009 @ 5:17 pm

    i agree with the first 3 posts.this is typical mullah propaganda.everything that happens is american conspiracy. it doesnt rain-american n jewish conspiracy, it rains heavily-american conspiracy.if the mullahs are so pissed of at the americans why dont they go to afghanistan n fight them there.why do they have to slaughter pakistani police men??the reason is simple.when they fire one shot at americans in afghanistan, americans beat the shit out of them with their fire power and mercilessness.they flatten the whole village from where that shot is fired on them..so these mullahs dont fight there.instead they have found a softer target in pakistan to show off to the world that they are doing something in this jihad..amreekee na sahee, pakistanii police he sahee. n when the pak army starts operation agains them, they start crying that its american war n we should not fight our own people..bue excuse me.these bastards(talibanS) are not our own people.we should slaughter them the same way as they did our police, fc soldiers n civilians.
    n to all the taliban apologists (imran khan, nawaz sharif, moulana diesel n qazi), i would say ….——-.leave us alone. ppl in forntier didnt vote for u this time n they vote for u for all times to come..they have seen ur true face..once in the form of MMA and now in ur support for talibans.


  9. ڈفرستان کا ڈفر (duffer) on May 17th, 2009 @ 12:17 am

    so some ppl still think that our "brave" troops
    listen us?
    or fight for us?
    cares for us?
    and so on :D


  10. itna on May 17th, 2009 @ 5:28 am

    duffer – true to your name…have you got an actual opinion on the situation or an alternative solution or just happy to leave the skid marks?


  11. farhan on May 17th, 2009 @ 12:43 pm

    Stop with the political posts already on this blog, go somewhere else for that!


  12. itna on May 17th, 2009 @ 1:54 pm

    farhan – so sorry for putting burden of such trivial matters on your brain…will let you go watch the Twenty20 now…


  13. dushanbe on May 18th, 2009 @ 8:14 am

    what the hell is all this crap… tell is HOW TO HELP our family members.

    Any Pakistani who thinks that they are not our family members is a ghaddar and traitor and should be depported to some loser country like hindustan or afghanistan.


  14. Monazza Talha (montaleast13) on May 18th, 2009 @ 11:37 am

    @dushanbe
    Instead of wasting time in mocking and ridiculing others in IMB posts(especially the IMB authors), you could just have googled for the information you were asking for. Possibly you could have been the source of useful information for us all.

    *Peace*

    -Monazza.


  15. majad (isl_majad) on May 18th, 2009 @ 12:00 pm

    Sorry folks, was away from the city and no access to the net. The aim of every post is to create a discussion – so thanks to all of you for your honest opinions.
    Just to clarify – no i’m not a mullah and no I’m not a member of the Taliban nor a conspiracy theorist. Unfortunately, whenever someone states the obvious there are always a gang liberal fascists who launch into labelling others with terms like "Mullah propaganda", "conspiracy theorist" etc instead of reasoning based on the ground realities.

    We despise criminal elements coming to power via the gun, but then again we all know how MQM cam to power in our largest city.. noone seems to mind them, their all nice people now. A case of the pot calling the kettle black.

    We all have our own opinions (misinformed as they might be) but have we actually learnt anything from what the people of Malakand have experienced?
    Read this from Asia Times Online: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KE15Df03.html
    "At Yar Hussain camp in Swabi, set up for displaced people from Buner, an angry law graduate named Imranullah told Asia Times Online, "The [military] operation is a sham and a fraud. It is a double game to get dollars from the Americans." He refused to admit that the military had harmed the militants.

    "Helicopter gunfire killed a local chemistry teacher. The next day, his photograph was published in the newspapers and the army said he had been killed in a suicide attack. This is the way people are being killed, rather than the Taliban," Imranullah said.

    Imranullah’s sentiments are echoed by the majority of the people in the camp, the biggest in the Swabi district with about 3,000 families – they blame the government’s military operation for their fate. "

    The bare realities are that our "elected" president is begging the world for more dollars while our rent-a-general military are sending our brave forces to kill their fellow countrymen whilst leaving the real criminals to kill another day and in the process we’ve created millions of refugees inside our own borders who will no doubt enlist for the Taliban after the treatment they are getting in the ghettos called camps – and all for what? billions of dollars in "aid"?.

    And to top it all off (for all you conspiracy theorists in denial) the US wants to take out our nukes in the near future. Fox News article:
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/14/plan-pakistan-teeters-falling-taliban/

    i fear in the near future we will no longer have a country called Pakistan… it will just be Islamabad, federal capital – minus the federation.


  16. furquanatique on May 18th, 2009 @ 7:51 pm

    Just curious Majad, which country do currently live in?


  17. majad (isl_majad) on May 19th, 2009 @ 2:16 pm

    @furquanatique – yaar i live in Islamabad and run my own business and have previously lived and worked in London. I hope i qualify. What about you?



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