The Lal Masjid Controversy Continues

students.jpgTensions grew around a madrassa religious school and mosque in Islamabad onl Wednesday as Islamic teachers and students held three police officers and three women hostage over the arrest of several colleagues.

Several thousand mainly female students surrounded the Jamia Hafsa madrassa and Lal Masjid, or red mosque, in the city centre to ward of any attempt by police to force their way through to the captives, who were taken into the building amid a dispute about alleged brothels located in the area.

Veiled and masked students armed with sticks chanted anti- government slogans and demanded Islamic law in the country as negotiators brokered the release of the officers and detained teachers and students.

But by late evening three women, said to be the manager of an alleged brothel and two relatives, were still being held in the school. The students were demanding that charges be brought against them.

Police initiated a case against students for abducting the women while paramilitary units manned cordons around the complex, a known hotbed of militant support for the struggle against international forces in Afghanistan.

The stand-off began the previous evening when madrassa students detained the manager with the intent of “reforming” her. Police had ignored requests from the school to close the establishment, they said.

According to the cleric Abdul Rashid Ghazi who is also the deputy head of the complex said that the police kidnapped their female teachers, which ignited the situation

According to the madrassa, two teachers and six students were taken into custody. The students retaliated by taking two police officers hostage in the school with their squad cars, followed by the seizure of a plain clothes officer.

Axes.jpgAfter several hours, authorities began to bend to demands from the madrassa and set free the detainees. They also pledged to release a former secret service agent who was arrested earlier this year while investigating the cases of missing citizens.

The students say that It is their right to take action, citing outrage at the tolerance of prostitution in the area.

Earlier in the week madrassa students reportedly visited local internet cafes and CD shops, accusing them of being sources of obscenity and demanding that they close down.

They then focused on alleged brothels being run illicitly in the district and their impromptu campaign was supported by local residents.

The madrassa and mosque are attended by 11,000 students, some of whom have occupied a nearby library for more than two months in protests over plans to demolish the school and a number of mosques in the city for breach of planning regulations.

But authorities were reportedly worried about a security threat from the complex. According to the reports the school encourages students to join the fight in Afghanistan and that suicide bombings are a legitimate form of attack. Automatic weapons are also known to be kept on the premises.

Sticks.jpgEarlier attempts to take action against the school and mosque were dropped amid the threat of a violent backlash. The events follow a series of nationwide protests by lawyers and opposition forces against Musharraf’s suspension of the chief justice for misuse of office.

Religious parties joined liberal opposition at the demonstrations, raising the likelihood of a broader opposition movement.

150 Comments so far

  1. don (unregistered) on April 2nd, 2007 @ 5:25 am

    OK,Thanks optimist,I ll certainly ignore this person.all I wanted to say was that what if these women were inocent.Without any evidence,without trial they have been defamed and almost everybody seems to believe it.How would they survive in this narrow minded society.Think of all the psychlogical trauma for the 6 months old when she grows up.Is this Islam,the religion of peace.It is not peace for anyone.Mufti Naeem Ahmed,a deoband scholar today told Dr Shahid masood that he had been carrying out negociations with Govt for Molvi of Lal masjid as there were some cases against him.Also this madrasa is illegaly built.They are using the situation to just get the political and ecnomical gains.How can an illegal madrasa be Islamic.This is the time we should reject the Mull’s Islam which was rejected by Iqbal and many other muslim scholars.May Allah save us from molvism.My question remains.Is veil Islamic.Any verse regarding Burqa.How will a murderer in Vail be identified.

  2. don (unregistered) on April 2nd, 2007 @ 5:30 am

    How can a poor woman who is a sweeper or lets say works on a brick bhatta observe islam only for NOBEL.May be than other religions are better suited for poors.I am a muslim just trying to wake you up that ceratin culural traditions became part of the religion and are actually bidats.

  3. don (unregistered) on April 2nd, 2007 @ 5:33 am

    observing VEIL is nnot Islamic rather it was a tradition observed by rich people.It is responsible for polarization and defaming Islam.It is against the nature and certainly doesnot suit a poor working lady.

  4. don (unregistered) on April 2nd, 2007 @ 5:34 am

    observing VEIL is nnot Islamic rather it was a tradition observed by rich people.It is responsible for polarization and defaming Islam.It is against the nature and certainly doesnot suit a poor working lady.

  5. optimist (unregistered) on April 2nd, 2007 @ 5:36 am

    Don brother, I am no authority on Islam so I will refrain from making any suggestion.

    But there is a difference between mullah and alim.

    As Iqbal said:

    Mullah ki azaan aur hai Mujahid ki azaan aur.

    I think he summerized the whole situation in this one phrase.

  6. don (unregistered) on April 2nd, 2007 @ 5:37 am

    Mulla’ Islam does not have any tolerance whereas Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance.What happens during Haj.women walk around without burka and shoulder to shoulder with men.

  7. don (unregistered) on April 2nd, 2007 @ 5:39 am

    you r not alim so that stops you from even thinking even.Come on these r just common sense questions.

  8. don (unregistered) on April 2nd, 2007 @ 5:40 am

    how can a poor working woman observe veil.

  9. don (unregistered) on April 2nd, 2007 @ 5:41 am

    wearing veil is against the very fundamentals of islam.

  10. don (unregistered) on April 2nd, 2007 @ 5:43 am

    wearing a veil is just a superficial gesture trying to prove that you r more pious.

  11. don (unregistered) on April 2nd, 2007 @ 5:44 am

    Do these talibat in hifza madrasa perform any social service or just matar gasht around doing poondee.Halwa khore molvans.

  12. don (unregistered) on April 2nd, 2007 @ 5:46 am

    These molvis are social parasites.Lazy buggers.

  13. Optimist (unregistered) on April 2nd, 2007 @ 5:49 am

    Bhai at the present sensitive time I would say these are non issues.

    I am more concerned by these. Have a look:

    Elimination of 85 percent of world population is going to happen.

    So fight over veil can carry on if one survives the New World Order.

  14. don (unregistered) on April 2nd, 2007 @ 5:49 am

    I call edhi,hakeem saeed,imran khan,and others who are doing social service true muslims and true mujahids.These daree waly munafiqs are the biggest tragedy of islam.

  15. don (unregistered) on April 2nd, 2007 @ 5:53 am

    so you are fighting aginst america by abducting a woman and her 3 daughters.WOW…..Great .osam

  16. don (unregistered) on April 2nd, 2007 @ 5:57 am

    We can only respond to outside threats by eliminating the extreemism of all kinds.Look what is happening in Iraq.more damage at the hands of own people than invaders.Just imagine these fanatics running around in Islamabad with dandas and kulharees.Will you feel safe.This has happened in Afghanistan.Atleast majority of Pakistanis hate this kind of Islam.

  17. don (unregistered) on April 2nd, 2007 @ 6:01 am

    Eman ka sab say nichla darja yeh hay kay burai say nafrat kee jai.Yeh kalay burkay mein liptee burai hay.Khud ko doosron say afzakl samajhna ikhlaq ka deewalya pan hay.

  18. optimist (unregistered) on April 2nd, 2007 @ 6:03 am

    Why are you accusing me of anything? I quoted Iqbal to tell you what I think of diff between mullah and alim.
    I am not following your logic here?

    as far as NWO is going, did you listen what king abdullah had to say? he said we will not fight ww3 for usa. iraq has already lost 20 percent of its population and counting. europe lost more than 20 percnet of population during ww2. the policy is to destroy and recreate in its image. iraq was liberal look how it was treated.

    brother ww3 is in the making. for God sake do not put the blame on me.

  19. don (unregistered) on April 2nd, 2007 @ 6:09 am

    King Fahad is to blame for disturbing the world balance of power.Do you know his role in the downfall of USSR.we wre also frontline allies.The vacume created caused all the trouble.Now America is on a power trip.Americans are also religious extreemists.They are getting ready for Armagadon.My logic is simple.At this stage avoid all kinds of confrontation.Get your horses ready.And then …….//

  20. optimist (unregistered) on April 2nd, 2007 @ 6:16 am

    You are right about King Fahad, the balance of power was greatly distrubed.

    Studying Bosnia only tells that even extremely open minded and modern Muslims are not tolerated. America will only stop if he sees unity amongst us. Any sign of division and both the divided parites will pay the price.

    Thank you for sharing.

  21. Jawaab Do (unregistered) on April 3rd, 2007 @ 12:26 am

    اب اس سارے واقعے کی جڑ پکڑنے کی کوشش کی جائے تو سرا انتظامیہ تک جاملتا ہے۔ محلے والوں کا دعویٰ ہے کہ وہ کئ بار آنٹی شمیم کے چکلے کی شکایت حکام کو کرچکے ہیں مگر کوئی شنوائی نہیں ہوئی۔ اس کیساتھ یہ بھی کہا گیا ہے کہ ایک دفعہ کانسٹیبل آنٹي شمیم کے چکلے پر گیا تھا اور آنٹی شمیم نے اسے تھپڑ رسید کردیا تھا۔

    ainoon kahndain nay aur choopo dallyoo.

  22. Paracha (unregistered) on April 3rd, 2007 @ 5:34 pm

    JayJay r u a non-mulsim? i think so coz the way u r talking against islam does makes me feel like that… can u tell which religion u follow if u r not ashamed of ur religion?

  23. JayJay (unregistered) on April 3rd, 2007 @ 11:07 pm

    I am an athiest asshole (former dick worshiper)

    so what ………

    Happy now?

  24. Umer Farooq (unregistered) on April 4th, 2007 @ 9:46 pm

    Sitting here in the west and having read islam in early childhood in greater details than many of you it clearly upsets me to know what these wretched people in lal masjid are doing! They have no point to prove really. I despise taliban for what they did. you just can’t create your version of islam, thats just ridiculous. Sometimes when you believe in your heart that something is right think again, it might not be! judge it against rational and logic, don’t make conclusions based on your emotions. Who knows aunty shameem was a corrupt person? even if she was this is NO WAY to treat someone. IS LAL MASJID PROPAGATING ANOTHER RELIGION THAT SOME PEOPLE THINK IS ISLAM? so please i request you all not to corrupt my religion it just disgusts me. This isn’t Islam this is just madness. and how dare people criticize army. These soldiers die for you and this is how you write stuff about them. DO YOU KNOW 700 JAWANS HAVE DIED ON AFGHAN BORDER FOR YOU ALONE? no one ever mentioned that. how many of your family members have you lost in fighting a philosophy that isn’t even remotely connected to islam. yes i am speaking of taliban! these are the people that entered your ranks after afghan war and look what they have done to my country! You have no idea what a soldier goes through his entire life! I AM NOT AN AGENT OF AMERICA OR INDIA.. PLEASE MOVE ON AND START THINKING! Serve humanity for there is no greater good other than that. As for folks in lal masjid, you should clean out your act before you are punished for your own sins.

    Umer Farooq
    ON, Canada

  25. Mister (unregistered) on April 5th, 2007 @ 3:13 am

    Sometimes when you believe in your heart that something is right think again, it might not be! judge it against rational and logic, don’t make conclusions based on your emotions.

    Same holds true for you my friend…..always. How do you define rational and logic? Maybe these are only hollow words and are used as a weapon against people who just want to live.

    The whole incident points to very stark bitter reality; there is no law and order. These mullahs are trying to fill a VACUME created by out whom? And this vacume is made worst by removal of CJP.

    What have ‘rational and logical’ people done in last 60 years so this VACUME should not have come into being in the first place?

    And when was the last time you raised your voice against corruption, crime and looting of the country’s resources by a handful of thugs with similar zeal? WHEN?

    So if you CHOSE to keep silent then, kindly do the same now. Enjoy Canada’s cold weather and let the 150 million make their destiny in the sweltering Pakistani heat.

  26. Umer Farooq (unregistered) on April 5th, 2007 @ 8:25 am

    your comprehension about the matter is quite weak mr. mister, see this is the problem. you just judged me as if you know me so well. “Enjoy Canada’s cold weather and let the 150 million make their destiny in the sweltering Pakistani heat”, do you know that i am as much of a pakistani as you are? do you know that bear much burden to seek quality education so as to go back one day and change at least what i can for pakistan? do you know in winters it can get as bad as -40 c here? i have had a rigorous initial training at hasanabdal and i have spent my last 19 years of life in pakistan so i really dont think you have a point to tell me how much im enjoying life over here and how pathetic you are feeling.

    lets roll back to the main point now. my purpose if writing that wasn’t to spark another debate. i have studied history both european and islamic. religious issues and social issues have been there since the beginning of time and to debate more on it simply is a cause for the ones who are devoid of common sense. lets just learn for once from the past and not debate over these issues and instead try to live together with differences. i can not convince you even with my all logic and reason and neither can you. however for the purpose of pakistan can we just put these difference on one side and tell these folks at red mosque to abstain from these activities. i am in no way supporting musharraff or any other political parties. i am really sick of seeing the same faces over and over again. ppp, pml, mqm, mma.. they are all just good for nothing. ofcourse you’ll say than who else is there to rescue us. i say thats you my friend! you and i.

    i mean we keep talking about this new version of islam.. i dont recall that when quaideazam was seeking partition he was thinking of this sort of a state for muslims.. it was a state where we can practice our religion freely not impose or anything of that nature. no one on this blog is a hypocrite, its just that we all have different opinions then why don’t we just respect each others view? its very common gesture in pakistan to expect that someone who is abroad is enjoying life. its a common perception. im studying here just like your beloved jinnah once studied in england. i mean get over this people.

    the way forward for us in my opinion is to come together as one and not point fingers. i am as bad as you and you are only as good as me. if you believe in it we can thrive and prosper and this is what Allah asks us too.

    the following verse is from quran for all those people who all the time say that only muslims will go to heaven. i think this is why we need to read quran not only in arabic but in urdu or english too so that we understand what the book means. there is little reason to fight on religious grounds with other people..

    002.062 Those who believe (in the Qur’an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

    Al-Qur’an, 002.062 (Al-Baqara [The Cow])

    but anyway the fact of the matter is that we need stay together instead of blaming each other.. lets just not let anyone take law in his own hands and try to dictate what laws pakistan should follow.

    and as for me, i have always been against corruption and all other things you mentioned but i dont think i could do a bit when i was 17 years old. if there is something i could have please tell me so that i can tell my younger brother to do that instantly. for now im trying to get a better education so that one day i can help change the political landscape. you should do the same too. atleast do what you can do.. i.e speak the truth.. dont break laws… its very simple if u think about it…

    thanks for reading.

    Umer Farooq
    ON, Canada

  27. mister (unregistered) on April 5th, 2007 @ 5:05 pm

    Umer, I used to think like you…..used to because I lacked necessary information. Always waiting for a better tomorrow. Yes you are right, that better tomorrow is possible and you and I can make it so but you forgot to add Allah. Nothing is possible without him.
    Lets dicuss point for point, trust me if you are for real, you will clearly see whose comprehension is weak. Hang on.
    You said you studied european history and Islmaic history. Do you know hospitals and univeristies were free in Islamic era? Even non-muslims could study free of charge? So in my opinion, if you have to pay for education then its a worst era we must be living in. Our fault we stopped putting the emphasis on education as demanded by our religion. Eruopean enlightement happened because of Spanish Inquisition through which they stole the works of muslim sceintists and scholars and put their name on others works.

    You quoted the verse from Quran about Jews and Christians. I put a question to you, if a muslim corrupts the Islamic teachings and starts believing in that, will he go to paradise? I think not. The above verse holds true for Jews and Christians who believe in what God sent in an uncorrupted form. You know that early chirstian centureis had two main factions, the trinitarian church previaled and eliminated the true chirstians who belived in one God.

    Do you know that mojority of the Jews are of Khazar/Ashkenazi desent? Who belive in Babylonian Talmud that has nothing to do with Old Testament. They worship phalus (penis). Kindly note the washington monument is a phualus. Do you know oval office represents female vigina? There is a phalus in the middle of Vatican. Care to expalain what it is doing in the ‘heart’ of Christiandom?
    Do you know anything about kngiht templers, freemasons/satanists, and their influence on our elite including army?
    Kindly tell me what to do with my ‘weak’ comprehension now?
    kaka the human society exists in layers and the highest layer at this time is occupied by satanists. only word of advice, study hard, dont jump to conclusions and try not to serve the satanic forces knowingly.

  28. Paracha (unregistered) on April 5th, 2007 @ 5:12 pm

    jayjay so wht u worshipped b4 have taken inside? now i get why are u in so much pain.

  29. Umer Farooq (unregistered) on April 6th, 2007 @ 1:34 pm

    hello there,
    i’m kind of running short on time but just have briefly outline a few vital points.

    spanish folks stole muslims literature.. alright fine they did! now you can’t blame your failure on a robbery. i don’t see a point why you are describing how in muslim era universitiess were free and all. The point was about red mosque man. i really believe that if you give facts for facts, this debate would continue for years and centuries just like it has always happened. my point is to tolerate one another and move to the basic teachings of quran. these people in red mosque are forgetting those. you are right about education! i couldn’t agree with you more on its need. however ask yourself how many of these so called savior of islam folks helped really in spreading education NOT ONLY RELIGIOUS! how many of them have stressed the need to learn english. now lets not delve into how urdu is our national language.. i know it is.. all respects to it but urdu has nothing to do with islam infact by not learning english these guys hinder a prosperous future for an islamic state(need not to give india’s example)

    you gave such lengthy notes about christian history. gone are the days of our glory and their whatever history they had. today i have many friends who either dont believe in any religion or others who believe in GOD, hereafter and like most of us they try to do the right thing. these are the BASIC teachings.. i repeat BASIC teachings.. now who covers his face and who says his prayer at home or who says it at mosque they are simply derivatives of the basic teachings..

    therefore, lets not stray from the point. don’t ridicule the government like that. fine it has made mistakes but changes are not made over night. economy is down all over the world. inflation is on the rise particularly in the third world and we are part of it. government doesnt have a magic wand. you and i have to make the changes. the blame game has no ending my friend.. no ending. the wisdom is in acceptance and tolerance.

    i mean its very clear how they handled the whole case of that woman. they took her hostage for a few days and told her this and that and even mentioned stuff about shias. in the end she threatened to change her religion. i mean is this really a success? they shouldnt even think about bringing islam into it. they are stupid if they defend this drama by using islam. thats just very absurd.

    anyway i hope you are getting what im trying to say. i know lot of things are wrong but there is NO NO NO Need to debate on them.. the only solution is to work for a better tomorrow with dialogue and delving into the real meaning of quran not by just making statements and giving examples of history. what i have said today is history tomorrow. however what i do today will be a better representation of history and thats what we should all do. so my friend lets not debate on christians or jews but instead work on the similarties and try to change the mind frame with deeds not words. i’ll try to keep my word and you do the same. after all we can only try and the better man succeeds in making the difference. thats the spirit of islam.


  30. Shafqat (unregistered) on April 6th, 2007 @ 2:11 pm

    Dear Babar and Adnan,

    Lets concentrate on the Lal Masjid issue and stop fighting between each other.

    It’s time we all stand on one platform and think straight rather than abusing each other.

    I respect the views of both of you but abusing eaching other is not fair.


  31. Mister (unregistered) on April 7th, 2007 @ 7:42 am

    I think inflation results from the interest posed by the international banking system. It unnecassarily burdens third world countries, hinders their developement and deproves their cititzens of having an equal chance in the world. And I think abolishing it will result in an economically even world.
    What do you think Quran suggest’s as an alternative to interest?

    the only solution is to work for a better tomorrow with dialogue and delving into the real meaning of quran not by just making statements and giving examples of history.

    I added your quote to help you keep the discussion in the parameters defined by yourself.

  32. Human001 (unregistered) on April 7th, 2007 @ 12:32 pm

    Pretty intense & interesting. Reading through these blogs unravels one of the very reasons of what is happing around us including this LAL MASJID issue. Seeing the type of language been used and remarks been exchanged for each other, very disappointing. It clearly sends this message very loud indeed that we as a Muslim & as a Pakistani have forgotten the meaning of tolerance and mutual respect. That alone identify the criticality of matter which is lack of respect for each other, lack of regard of others opinion and disability of engaging in a constructive dialogs about controversial issues & problems. Whatever is happening in the Capital City is just a precursor to what lies ahead if we let the system be what it is now (if there is any). It shows the ever expanding leap between the most polarized societies ever in our history, polarized economically as well as ideologically. It’s the greatest dilemma we are facing now that we are loosing mediocrity from our society. Economically there are either richest or the poorest. Ideologically we are either hard core Islamist or so called western enlightened liberals. And we are so passionate about our thoughts & believes that we are ready to perish each other.
    To all those who are talking about smoking others and advocating use of power against madarsa students, they must understand that by doing so they would be supporting the cause of those who really want our nation to be like Iraq. It’s very clear that it will increase the breach among us. We need tolerance on either side. Instead of jumping on conclusions, we must need to analyze the root cause. The overall corrupt and ever deteriorating situation of law & order, judiciary and the government as a whole, who to blame to & who to ask for. MY fellow brothers, united we stand & devided we fall….we are a fallen nation now….they way thing are going, if we let it happen….we never will be able to rise. As a muslim we should be the symbol of Forgiveness & mercy, why not show the world that we are what we say. The true Khaleefa of The Most Merciful The Most Compationate.

  33. Afzal Baig (unregistered) on April 7th, 2007 @ 10:53 pm

    These are sheer ignornat stupids…. AND THE WEST THINKS THAT WOMEN ARE OPPRESSED IN PAKISTAN. Allah bless us when these women are not oppressed.

    No wonder West is right when they feel threatened by women wearing Niqab.

    Waiting for the day government of Pakistan Bomb all of these fanatics (great opportunity as they are all concentrated in one place) so that we get rid of these ignorants from OUR Pakistan of Quaid-e-Azam.

  34. Qubad S Malik (unregistered) on April 7th, 2007 @ 11:57 pm

    The Govt. should get rid of these fanatic idiots and morons all at once. as one guy pointed above, this is a very good time because all of them are in one place. its about time that we start to streamline the madrassas like most other muslim countries and bring them into maintsream. I personally think that some system like that one of Turkey should be implemented. That system is in use in saudi arabia too. imams are forbidden to say anything apart from what they have been told to say by the central control office. the difference is that turks are sunnis and saudis are wahabis. seeing the attitude of these morons in pakistan makes me wonder if they have studied quran for real or what?. they forget the basic rule of sharia that if u cant give ppl decent jobs then u cant punish em with hudood. countless examples in early islamic history.
    its abt time the Govt should show some zeal to deal with these less than human specimens.
    Long Live Pakistan.

  35. Khawar Niaz (unregistered) on April 8th, 2007 @ 3:54 am

    I am shocked to see the abuse being hurled at each other on issue which otherwise could have been discussed in more intellectual way. Anyway, first of all, lets begin with is it OK these burqa clad girl and boys to proclaim the establishment of shariyat or whatever??. well, no its not even legal in any angle of law, religion or moral. Why? well, if this is rightful way to assume power, then why the hell we need this entity of parliament? presidency, legal system etc? People spent hell lot of efforts of every kind to become purveyor of law, and there we are some bunch of idiots just stood up, charged by their own emotional associations due to the knowledge without any reason and started to yell that it is the most rightful way to govern people. Unfortunately thats not true. This, sadly, reflecting the despotic attitude with which our history is full and because of that until today Islam is still bleeding. Yet, we don’t seem to understand and learn the lessons. I can only pray that perhaps one day people will start to comprehend the reason of religion and then see what is right and what is wrong. Ameen.

  36. MANSOOR ASLAM SHEIKH (unregistered) on April 8th, 2007 @ 4:07 pm


  37. Muhammad Ziaullah Khan (unregistered) on April 8th, 2007 @ 9:24 pm

    well well well. pakistan was found on the basis of ISLAM. muslims will live according to quran and sunnah. Govt. will not implement any law which contradicts quran and sunnah that is much clear in our consitution.hmmm.wait a sec. dont we think if we had islamic law since 50 years? i dont think means whatever govt. came, they didnt follow the consitution but brought many ammendments i see. how many times consitution was ammended? every president or PM will take the constitution to its own come we say we have democratic govt. in pakistan?constitution talks about democratic govt. ok lets talk about current system.well under what law can a general become the PRESIDENT of state?hmmm ok and under what law can a DUAL NATIONALITY holder persons may elected as legislatures or prime minister?there r supposed 2 b 3 organs in the govt. exuctive legislative and judiciary. but how the exuctive treated the judiciary?? doesnt it make sence? who elected musharraf to b the leader?well i didnt…is it dictatorship or democratic rule?for God sake if this is the situation of our govt. how come we talk about that THERE IS PARLIAMENT.yes there is parliament but what is it doing? selling steal mills? PTCL? passing a fake law by the name of WOMEN RITE BILL?and yes there is parliament but who elected MUSLIM LEAGUE…well i didnt. COMON GUYS LETS B REALISTIC….the govt. is fake, consitution is weakened…so what govt. r we talking bout??what state within state are we talking bout??is this a sovereign state??then y did america bombed bajwar.? today govt. is accused for 5000 people missing…what if tomorrow one by one we all will b among the missing? comon guys think….ok lets get back to ulama issue. the military killed innocent muslims in waziristan…only ulama criticised. no role of media. what happened then?? those ulamas were killed like shamzai was? and different others? playing game on ghazi abdul rashid by stealing his car and then putting guns in his car and taking it to police station, accusing ghazi as terrorist? entering with shoes in lal masjid to arrest molana for just building up walls for security in lal masjid? entering hifsa madrassa and beating innocent little girls wounding 82 female students and 3 lost their back bone? then asking for crimbling down illegal mosques and madrassas?threatening the students that they will come any time and destroy the building? when this all was happening WHO SHOUTED FOR THEIR SUPPORT???i guess no 1… when these innocent DEFENDERS OF DEEN r asking for ending brothel business in pakistan which GOVT. REFUSED TO….because shamim has support of govt. u can say these brothels r indirectly runned by the govt. itself….so instead of blaming the govt. the media who is showing OBSCENITY on tv LIKE GEO ARY and other channels..what u think what r they showing women wearing tight dress and shrinked naked legs and bust…..i guess this media is indirectly runing the brothels….so when these students STOOD AGAINST THIS SO INSTEAD OF SUPPORTING THEM WE R CRITICISING THEM? DO WE HAVE GUTS TO TAKE STAND AGAINST THESE NONSENCE POLICIES OF GOVT? THE LAWYERS R DOING FOR THEIR OWN INTERESTS..NOT FOR US……ITS THE MADRASSA WHO IS DOING FOR OUR INTERESTS….NOT JUST THEIR….THEY ARE ASKING FOR SHARIAH FOR ALL..NOT JUST FOR THEM…..I WILL SAY THOSE GUYS WHO STILL R AGAINST THE STAND OF LAL MASJID R BLIND, DEAF, DUMB, BRAINLESS…..

  38. Umer Farooq (unregistered) on April 9th, 2007 @ 2:33 pm

    lols @ deaf dumb brainless… man stay united! atleast i gave a better lesson than ur 1000s of words.

  39. SELF (unregistered) on April 9th, 2007 @ 4:37 pm

    “well well well. pakistan was found on the basis of ISLAM. muslims will live according to quran and sunnah. Govt. will not implement any law which contradicts quran and sunnah”

    No such thing in tehrik e Pakistan manifesto. These things were added by the very Mullahs who opposed the creation of Pakistan for their own halwa-manda.

  40. SELF (unregistered) on April 9th, 2007 @ 4:43 pm

    PS: Which molvi will decide what is according to quran and sunnah and what is not? Molvis can’t agree between themselves not least because there are different sects in Islam, each sect also has molvis with differing opinions. In the circumstances there is no single interpretation of quran and sunnahh and therefore this exercise to implement shariat at national level is simply absurd. Zia ul haq tried to implement one such shariat and even though he only addressed few issues look at what mess it has created. We don’t want to go down this route anymore. Let’s all work towards a society where everyone is free to follow their own shariat without any coercion from government to the opposite effect.

  41. jawad ahmed (unregistered) on April 10th, 2007 @ 6:08 pm

    jamia hafsa going great work…we want to closed all Randi-khanay.

  42. Umer Farooq (unregistered) on April 11th, 2007 @ 3:05 am

    peace on earth

  43. human001 (unregistered) on April 11th, 2007 @ 9:16 am

    Hey guys, I think we have beaten the dead horse enough….seems like its impossible to bring every body on the same page….we are not even on the same book….May Allah Subhano Tala give us hidaya & sight to acknowledge the truth….(Amin)

  44. Sajawal Ali (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 8:37 pm

    Asalam O alequm,
    I have read some of the views and appriciate peoples who are taking part in it, I also appriciate Mr. Adnan Siddique who has tried to bring the facts to the public.

    Most of the poeple who have showed there unawareness and used disrepectful words for these Ulma are because they are in dark and unaware of the real facts, or in other words they are just compaling and opposing due to western media propoganda.

    I have visited many times as i live in Islamabad, to this Lal Masjid which is in the center and preaching real Islam, I unfortunatly not a five time prayerer or you can say a person who unfortunatly not following Islamic practices in his life, but I must say THEY are Right, totally right as i have talked many peoples about that prostitute AUNTY they all were sick and tired of this evil women, the naibourhood compalined so many times to the local authorities but they all failed to do any action due to UNSEEN REASONS.

    That women were runing her business since long and many times even in 98 a FIR was lodged but no action was taken, again in 2002 her house was raided and some prostitues were taken into custody but AUNTY was clever enough to get out of it.

    I strongly support to gag these people and kick them out of the society so normal people who have there daugheters can live easily and peacefully.

    I also take a closer look into the details of SHARIA Demand, actually it is another effort in which in 1991 Govt. of Mr. nawaz Sharif passed a Law to enforce Sharia but as his Govt. was dis missed the law although IS A LAW but not enforced dut to MUSHARAF kind Liberals.

    Once again in 99 when Nawaz wanted to enforce the SHARIAT BILL his govt. is over thrown.

    These two brothers not asking for anything different of impossible they are just asking to enforce that Law and it is not a bad demand infact.

    Both of the brother Mr. Abdul Aziz and Allama Rasheed Ghaze enjoyes a very high reputation and well littrate educated peoples and all over the country people resepect them in high values.


  45. your brother (unregistered) on April 13th, 2007 @ 2:17 pm

    stop blaming the poor aunty shameem… nawaz sharif and shariat law???? yeah right!!! that guy nearly looted my tax money and probably yours too if you give any.. dude you gota come up with one centralized meaning of shariat… dont just be emotional about “shariat” get offline and read quran first.. first educate people.. dont litter in ur streets.. try to understand the different point of views even if its of an athiest.. islam is right but u aint! u gota learn what islam is.

  46. Ali (unregistered) on April 17th, 2007 @ 7:16 pm


  47. SELF (unregistered) on April 17th, 2007 @ 7:28 pm

    “jamia hafsa going great work…we want to closed all Randi-khanay. ”

    Then why not close the biggest of them all jamia hufsa and arrest these muzhubee rundian who are selling honour of Islam?

  48. your brother (unregistered) on April 17th, 2007 @ 9:43 pm

    helloo … im agent of india working through afghanistan… im here to supply weed.. long live pakistan and islam and short live these short sighted people!!

  49. hoopa (unregistered) on April 18th, 2007 @ 9:44 pm

    so here story goes 9/11 maybe not muslims mayb jews cos all were gone for lunch mayb satanists etc., 7/7 muslims no way can’t be but perhaps chances 2 out of 100…… but the question of century is is this was not done by muslims then why did muslim war oriented organisation … taliban … accepted and ofcourse declared officially its them who are responsible for killin innocent ppl…. same is here in pakistan … innocents will die again n again in name of religion only difference is that this time its not some minority who had suffered more than half century in name of ISLAM>….. jus thnk how much more blood do u need…. tell any one place where there is ISLAM and peace co-existn 2getha …. apart from PAKISTAN

  50. your brother (unregistered) on April 19th, 2007 @ 9:13 am

    hoooopaaa i agree with u man.. these people are talking nonsense. they feel they are some kind of sufis who are responsible for the savior of islam. islam is safe as long as these people are kept in check.

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