I turn on the television and I see a 3gp video on Express News showing a girl being slashed while two Mullahs hold her down like an animal. Apparently that poor “17 year old” girl was “seen coming out of the house with a guy who wasn’t her husband”.

She was brought into the street, people were watching as if it was an exhibition football match. No one uttered a single word. The girl cried, plead, begged for them to let her go. Inhuman people. This is not what Islam is. Sufi Mohammad, Taliban, Shariah, peace, drones, swat, attacks. Where the hell does this all stop?!

Without evidence, without asking people, without any witnesses, they treat her like an animal. How in the world is THIS Islam I ask. Apparently Mr. Muslim Khan thought that “it was necessary”. It’s said to be quite an old video that has surfaced but here is what I have heard from the “said badshahs of knowledge”

“It had to be done”

“Where was the world when 500,000 people were displaced in SWAT”

“No one condemns the drone attacks”

“I agree, it shouldn’t have been done in public”

Various alim-e-deen gave their verdicts. What I fail to understand is that these head honchos brainwash little kids and tell them to do Jehad. Why not go THEMSELVES. No one asks them why THEY don’t go. Why do they have to send kids..

Why does a girl have to suffer because they have to make a point AGAINST the drone attacks?

This is inhuman. This is barbarism. This is just SAD.

Then we say “We’re not that bad, our image is kharab”. With things like this happening, we can’t really say anything about it no?

23 Comments so far

  1. shaheerk on April 3rd, 2009 @ 3:18 pm

    It’s retarded – to say the least.

    Sigh… what has this country become?!

  2. hashriani on April 3rd, 2009 @ 3:23 pm

    This video is a year old. It was later found that the allegations were wrong :)

    The two inhuman bastards were HER BROTHERS :)

    Allah maafi :)

  3. furquanatique on April 3rd, 2009 @ 7:50 pm

    video looks fabricated to me… appears to have been acted out.

  4. sweety8587 on April 3rd, 2009 @ 8:01 pm

    I dont think at this point it matters much if its real or not, if its a year old or a week old. Its floating all over the media and the world’s been made aware of it. The damage that had to be done, has been done.

    I’ve been reading online as much as I can about these verses that they’re saying justify flogging and man, it DOESNT justify what they did! Did these people ask or get any evidence of ANY kind before jumping to the conclusion that this GIRL (i use the word deliberately here) was having an illicit relationship? Correct me if im wrong, but doesnt the law requite that in such a case you need 2-4 WITNESSES BEFORE as PROOF?!

    -headdesking until her head and desk have merged together at a subatomic level-

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  6. hashriani on April 3rd, 2009 @ 10:10 pm

    Totally agreed.

  7. jahanara on April 4th, 2009 @ 4:35 am

    If we dont stand up and speak against this now, then the day is not far off when women and men will be publicly beheaded and flogged in Qaddafi stadium. We must condemn this loud and clear…no ifs and buts

  8. kaami on April 4th, 2009 @ 7:44 am

    Down right every body!. This is one episode that has been made public, atrocities committed are beyond comprehension. People accused for spying for our own security forces were slaughtered like lambs on the main squares in towns and cities of Swat.

    Yesterday I saw a lawyer on Capital Talk claiming that situation in Swat is a reaction to blah…blah…. Is this the way to react? and what did any body do in Swat? There are no occupying forces there, no drone attacks nothing. It was Sufi Mohd who took truck loads of madrassah youth to Afghanistan on the eve of US invasion and himself came back, leaving the poor souls at the mercy of Dostum and Masood millitias and US bombs.

    These are the times when one must open his/her eyes and ears and see who is saying and doing what. Where are our leaders on these issue and what are they proposing to deal with this inhumanity.

    BTW more than 90% of so called Sharia Laws are man made and nothing to do with religion. And if you want to hear the real story behind the four witnesses then here it goes:

    "On one of her travels in a cravan with Prophet Mohammed, Bibi Ayesha was found missing from her tent and so was her slave Safwan. Search parties were sent and they eventually found them. Upon return Bibi Ayesha gave the explanation that, "I couldnt find my necklace so went back to look for it and got lost." the slave Sawan said that, "When I found the Mistress missing, i went looking for her and eventually found her". There was whisperring, suspicions were rasied and even Ali asked the Prophet to divorce Ayesha. But then the revelation came which goes some thing like this: You should not accuse without evidence and in the matters of adultery four witnesses are required."

    I had my say.

  9. furquanatique on April 4th, 2009 @ 11:36 am

    In any event, Pakistan will stand strong and it is events like these that empower moderation and silence the advocates of such atrocities, who should know better than to support such heinous crimes.

  10. jahanara on April 5th, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

    Thanks Kami. That was well said. Now is the time to stand up and be counted. We must must counter these forces of extremism. For my part,when I see those strange "chanda boxes" in shops, I ask the shopkeepers where the money is going? I argue with people who defend the Taliban. I go to protests. I teach the kids in my family moderation and tolerance. Whatever I do, I will do. I willnot and cannot let these bastards ruin our way of life.

  11. riaz on April 6th, 2009 @ 6:21 am

    As I said in another post earlier, we must take out the mullahs that misinterpret the Quran and Islam and brainwash the people. Unless these misguided mullahs are alive, such acts would keep on happening.
    Just to give you an example of how the mullahs brainwash the talebs in their madressas let me tell you a real story. On one Eid in our village, my cousin was sprinkling water(there was a draught and hadnt rained in months) in front of his house in the street so that there is no dust blowing with the wind. A brand new graduate Hafiz of a medressah happened to pass by.He told my cousin that you are competing with Allah. My cousin was surprised and asked "how come?".The Taleb replied that its the work of Allah to bring rains and settle down the dust,and since it hasnt rained (means Allah is not happy) so you are trying to do HIs work by sprinkling water with a pipe.
    Needless to say that my cousin had nothing to say to such a logic.

  12. Monazza Talha (montaleast13) on April 6th, 2009 @ 12:16 pm

    All i would like to add here is that we need to start reading the translation of Quran in order to understand what the Holy book actually holds. It will not make us scholars or raise us to the level where we can announce ‘fatwa’, but it sure will enable us to understand a lot of stuff.

    Allah said so Himself that He has made the Quran easy to understand. And He questions if there is anyone among the believers who would think over it and understand it.

    So i feel that basically we need to get back to the fundamentals and turn into true ‘fundamentalists’. :-)


  13. kaami on April 7th, 2009 @ 1:42 am

    And now this:

    Three Female Education Workers Killed in Mansehra


    Hats of these brave ladies, who despite the situation went there to persuade the people to send their kids to school and paid the ultimate price. And for whom, this ungrateful nation. This makes me sick.

    They are our real heroes and not the crack pots that lead us. Just yesterday I heard Mr. Munawar Hasan the new Ameer of JI going after NGO’s and condemning their activities. Does anybody have a statistic about how many NGO workers (Pakistani and non-Pakistani) have lost their lives in Pakistan and Afghanistan. What was their crime? trying to educate, vaccinate and deliver food? And still people of the stature of Munawar Hassan continue to provoke.

  14. fearnot on April 7th, 2009 @ 9:14 am

    So I can go into the details without using emotional rants and logical fallacies, but I will try to be brief in answering “hashriani” for now:

    Apparently that poor “17 year old” girl was “seen coming out of the house with a guy who wasn’t her husband”.

    Only if you had watched everyone’s conversation and point of view without just following the Geo and other TV’s captions, which were totally based on a lie they made up in seconds. When questioned about the reason for these lashes, what Muslim Khan said was "wo apnay susar kay saath 3 saal rahi thee" (a not so provocative way of saying that she had (an) extra marital affair(s) with her father in law and/or others … and he did elaborate on that in his interview again and again) and with an extreme dishonestly from the media, all the television channels changed "rahi" to "gai" and then just went on to pile trash on top of a lie. I am sure that you could still find Muslim Khan’s interview somewhere on youtube and listen to it for yourself.

    She was brought into the street, people were watching as if it was an exhibition football match. No one uttered a single word. The girl cried, plead, begged for them to let her go.

    Quite a clear fallacy I would say. Premises could be objectionable but assuming that premises is correct (and you can’t prove or disprove otherwise for now), it would be naive of you to play this game of emotions and sentiments. Yes, Islam does have graphic punishments and those who are punished feel pain … and they cry and plead … and as Quran clearly states, you should not feel any sympathy for those criminals. Oh, and by the way, same applies for Islamic OR western system of punishment except that you don’t actually SEE that happening.

    Human nature is just mind boggling and let me give you a personal observation on this. Those who live/lived in the western countries (or U.S.) would know that animal slaughter houses and farms are in sub-urban areas and, living in a city, you never get to see an animal being slaughtered or killed in front of you (as opposed to Pakistan, where chickens and lambs are slaughtered right in front of you pretty much all the times in markets). All you see is clean and packed meat in the ready-to-cook packing. I lived all my adult life in the U.S. and I remember growing in 90’s when there was no internet or youtube. Enters the youtube era and people from Pakistan started to post "qurbani" videos of Eid and I remember my American friends would engage me in discussions on how barbaric all that blood and gore was, totally ignoring the reality of meat they themselves consumed. Reason? They only ate the tasty cheese burgers but never saw the processing and animal killing happening in their own backyards. On the same token, it’s not really about the punishments that people complain about but because "naram-dill or sophisticated logo ka dill kharab hota hay." Food for thought: Why is it that people can happily crush a cockroach and even say “ewww” after doing so but could not do the same thing on a little cute chick? They both would feel the same amount of pain …BUT … it’s not really the pain of victim … IS IT?

    Inhuman people.
    Racist remarks for a people … and ask me why if you need explanation.

    Without evidence, without asking people, without any witnesses
    And again … how do YOU know all that? Oh yes, and I don’t either … but I don’t go around ranting on punishments executed by authorities in every part of the world. They MAY or MAY NOT be justified but I should not/would not rant and rave until I knew the facts.

    What I fail to understand is that these head honchos brainwash little kids and tell them to do Jehad. Why not go THEMSELVES. No one asks them why THEY don’t go. Why do they have to send kids..
    I don’t agree with these jihadis … absolutely … I would still give you the answer on this one because it’s a wrong question to ask. As a matter of principle, these mullahs don’t go to war (and send young kids) for the same reason Bush, Chenney, Rumsfeld, Obama, Clinton … AND … all the leaders around the world don’t go to battlefields themselves and send young kids i.e. battlefield soldiers. Again, I don’t support these jihadis and mullahs but it’s a very illogical question to ask.

    Finally, if for nothing else, I feel sympathy for this guy “Muslim Khan” who couldn’t speak Urdu properly and instead of trying to accommodate this problem to really find out facts, TV anchor and editors played a gotcha game on him with his words.

  15. wkhang on April 7th, 2009 @ 1:03 pm

    Hey Hash,

    Next time you open the TV and may be you find that Zardary is having "Chither" on his fat ass, but you may later on find out that " he was not Zardary but some one like Zardary.

    So my friend whatever you view on TV is not always correct.

    SHAME on GEO and others who played this again and again without investigation.


  16. jayjay on April 7th, 2009 @ 2:33 pm

    So impressed am I from arguments forwarded by “fearnot”, the American, that I am now seriously thinking of initiating a “Muslim Khan Fan Club” on Facebook. Simply put, has he, all Taliban terrorists are misunderstood people, who only trying to practice real Islam on the scenic streets of Swat. How can the followers of the “religion of peace” can indulge in gory practices of punish women (and men) on the streets? It is nefarious lobbies, the traditional enemies of Islam, who are bent on distorting the real image of Islam – in this case as “fearnot” has pointed out it was a combination of Geo TV and other media outlets. Let me add other culprits in this web of conspiracies hatched against peaceful and patriotic Taliban -– Zahood-o-hanood, Amreeki samraj and Islam ke dushman can also be seen behind the dust and clouds. Kind hearted and humane Taliban could never punish anyone. It was all trickery to malign their good name. Simple.

    A person would not be using “fearnot” as their nick had they been living in the Islamic valley of Swat. “Fearall” would be the cry then. The notion of “peace” used ad nauseaum with Islam somehow gets dropped and is conveniently replace with “submission” when Islamists take hold of power at a place as has happened in Swat. Fear abounds as chickens are brought out on the street to set examples in blood for others to toe the line. Voices of dissent disappear.

    However, to think of it, we get what we ask for what we deserve. If people want an Islamic utopia peopled by beards and veils, spirited by the centuries’ old ideas of the Arabian desert, run by the ignorant and the irrational, disciplined by guns and bombs, let be it. Let us turn whole Pakistan into the Talibanic Emirates of whatever.

    Such state of affairs will only go on to ensure complete and equal rights and justice for all, except for women of course (they can’t match men in any way because of their physiology); except for non-Muslims (how can a follower of another religion compete with the superior breed of Muslims); except Shias (don’t we all know they are not real Muslims); except Brehvis and other non-Salafists/Wahabi sects (they practice a diluted version of Asli te Waddah Islam of Salafis); except anyone who disagrees with the Talibanic lifestyle and worldview. Seemingly, it will leave out the majority of population but that’s the real soul of this utopia.

    I must sign off by hailing our (unfallen) heroes bin Ladin, Mullah Omer, Mehsud, Fazlullah, etc. Oh, I must not forget Muslim Khan, the laconic but eloquent.

  17. fearnot on April 7th, 2009 @ 4:46 pm

    jayjay, go on with your sarcasm … And I find it to be same type of paranoia that I find talking to ignorant mullahs on the streets. It’s just an inductive fallacy where people like jayjay or ignorant mullahs have to brand and categorize people before they are able to come up with some confused and angry, but standard, generalizations.

    You start talking to one of the ignorant mullah on a specific issue and you suddenly find out that every bad thing happening to them is a plot of jews and america. At the same rate, you start talking to a liberal like jayjay and you suddenly find out that talibans are planning to invade moon on day after tomorrow (after, of course, they are done with all the countries on earth tomorrow).

    I find it intellectually insulting to answer any of what you mentioned jayjay, which is more of a brain storming than a rational discussion.

  18. kaami on April 7th, 2009 @ 11:30 pm

    HEY!! welcome back JAYJAY, its been a while. Nice to see you as sharp and articulate as ever.

  19. kabirdas on April 8th, 2009 @ 10:36 pm

    @ kaami on April 4th

    " I had my say"

    Sir, you said it so well. I couldn’t have said it better even if I had tried.

    " BTW more than 90% of so called Sharia Laws are man made and nothing to do with religion."

    Not only that they were made during and before the time of Judaism. These bearded gatekeepers of Paradise wouldn’t know that.

  20. kabirdas on April 8th, 2009 @ 10:49 pm

    @ riaz on April 6th

    It is not so much the mullah who annoys me with this kind of logic. It is quite often our supposedly educated lot who also say things of this sort which annoys me to no end.

  21. kabirdas on April 8th, 2009 @ 10:56 pm

    @ montaleast13

    All you need to do is read Quran and use your head a bit. That’s all.

  22. kaami on April 9th, 2009 @ 1:49 am

    @kabirdas – Thank you, I am glad to be on your right side again. You very well know that I am a person sans religion. I don’t want to challenge anybody’s faith but is it too much to ask for to make use of common sense in such matters.

    This incident has afforded us with an opportunity, albeit at the expense of the sore back and humiliated soul of that poor Swati girl. Now it’s the time to look around and make a note of who is doing saying / saying what. Who is keeping quite, who is trying to justify, who is trying to cover up, who is doing just lip service and who is taking action.

  23. dcruncher4 on April 10th, 2009 @ 12:45 am

    This is to the person who started this topic.

    Who says this is not islam. THIS IS ISLAM. The punishment given to the girl is mentioned in our glorious quran. Mufti Muniber Rehman, a leaving islamic scholar in a televised debate said "how can we call it unislamic. this is the punishment that is written in holy quran".


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